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https://www.ebay.com/itm/All-Star-Hollow-Steel-FM25-LMX-Traditional-Baseball-Catchers-Mask-Silver/382552801198?hash=item5911ec7fae:g:IAwAAOSwz-ZbhpqW   @Thunderheads is this an errant listing? The description says hollow steel but it looks like titanium. I don't think All Star has made this mask in hollow steel have they?? If its an error, this is a bargin for someone at $84.99.

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7 minutes ago, midtnump said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/All-Star-Hollow-Steel-FM25-LMX-Traditional-Baseball-Catchers-Mask-Silver/382552801198?hash=item5911ec7fae:g:IAwAAOSwz-ZbhpqW   @Thunderheads is this an errant listing? The description says hollow steel but it looks like titanium. I don't think All Star has made this mask in hollow steel have they?? If its an error, this is a bargin for someone at $84.99.

it is ........  all of All Stars masks are hollow steel unless it's the MAG.    This ad is for a regular FM25 but they used the wrong photo

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12 minutes ago, Thunderheads said:

it is ........  all of All Stars masks are hollow steel unless it's the MAG.    This ad is for a regular FM25 but they used the wrong photo

I thought something was up. It looks too much like this one from All stars website. https://www.all-starsports.com/protective/all-star-traditional-catching-masks.html

 

 

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2 minutes ago, midtnump said:

I thought something was up. It looks too much like this one from All stars website. https://www.all-starsports.com/protective/all-star-traditional-catching-masks.html

 

 

right, it is .......... either the ebay person is trying to deceive, or .... just made a mistake

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7 minutes ago, Thunderheads said:

right, it is .......... either the ebay person is trying to deceive, or .... just made a mistake

We should email the guy and ask.  Notice his little disclaimer under the photos? If the pic is wrong, then it's basically All-Star's fault he says.

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11 minutes ago, Thunderheads said:

rip him to pieces wolfe man! :D 

I very politely just informed him of the differences between his mask photo and the listing description.  We'll see if it changes. :)

 

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@Thunderheads, @wolfe_man, @midtnump... the eBay photo is of a FM25Ti... Titanium.

All-Star does not make a “silver w/ tan” FM25 in hollow steel. They make a grey FM25 in hollow steel with tan LMX pads, but it’s noticeably different and darker than the Titanium version.

Also consider that all stock-standard, brand-new FM25 hollow steel masks have the brand-tab on the chin guard... both to advertise their I-Beam system (not found or necessary on the Titanium) and to hamper the use of single-strap throat guards (eg. Diamond) being hung incorrectly off the bottom of the chin guard.

How hard is it to post a photo of the actual mask??

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51 minutes ago, MadMax said:

@Thunderheads, @wolfe_man, @midtnump... the eBay photo is of a FM25Ti... Titanium.

All-Star does not make a “silver w/ tan” FM25 in hollow steel. They make a grey FM25 in hollow steel with tan LMX pads, but it’s noticeably different and darker than the Titanium version.

Also consider that all stock-standard, brand-new FM25 hollow steel masks have the brand-tab on the chin guard... both to advertise their I-Beam system (not found or necessary on the Titanium) and to hamper the use of single-strap throat guards (eg. Diamond) being hung incorrectly off the bottom of the chin guard.

How hard is it to post a photo of the actual mask??

Preach brother! :)

The worst part about all of this is the seller is a sporting goods store.

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7 hours ago, wolfe_man said:

Preach brother! :)

The worst part about all of this is the seller is a sporting goods store.

Secondary bad part is... if this is a TI, then $85 is a straight up steal. If it is a Hollow Steel, $85 is a straight up rip off.

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On 8/30/2018 at 7:07 AM, MadMax said:

@bluetick48 and @tpatience – you both got sad-face reactions on your posts representing the stinkface of loathing jealousy.

Trevor – are the black-tabbed grey pads a one-off? Know the story to them?

Tick – words cannot describe how upset I am with you. Instead of consulting the gear conclave here, and alerting us to this recent sighting of a unicorn disguised as a plowhorse, you recalled all the stuff we’ve discussed, recognized it, and took a chance that paid off brilliantly. Now there are only two questions: A) is it a true titanium model or a Titanal model (both steals at the price you paid), and B) are you going to use it, or re-rig it with Nike pads to re-sell it to an oaf for $350+?

 

Well Done, both of you.

@MadMax, I didn’t have a direct line to you to seek council and advice, so i had to pull the trigger quickly. I did notify @tpatience of the find and luckily for me it turned out to be the real unicorn you speak of. (Mask on the right) I’ll be hanging on to these till I call it a career or I fall on hard times. 

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30 minutes ago, BT_Blue said:

Ah, the Champro CP2x. The "One that Snuck Through... For Awhile".

Notice how it looks. Looks a lot like a Wilson Gold, doesn't it? While Douglas wasn't allowed to progress their design, and Riddell and All-American were served with Cease & Desist orders (because of Patent Infringement), Champro wasn't viewed as an immediate threat, and was tolerated for the short time it was in circulation (Riddell, All-American, and Douglas are direct rivals to Wilson in football pads). It's a very good unit, using more modern foam and technical wicking fabric for its padding jacket, but lacks the ailettes (gap protection plates). Like the Champion P2xx, it is narrower / slimmer than a Gold, Platinum, and the Schutt XV. One of the things that Champro took from this design and progressed into their new CP3x series is the ability to conform around the torso cylindrically.

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