Murray State/Duke FPSR Overturn

[johnnyg08]

 

[BLWizzRanger]

They have now eclipsed the NFL on what is a catch.

F4 steps into the protected zone and his left foot is clipped in the protected zone by the left foot of R1.  What is the protected zone for?  How is the foot of R1 not unlike a runner throwing up his hands to interfere? Ok, I get it, it was a natural slide that didn't show any kicking motion to clip F4, BUT, F4 WAS IN THE PROTECTED ZONE!  NO CONTACT IN THE PROTECTED ZONE!!!!

They are making it up as they go.  Just when you thought something was cut and dried.

[johnnyg08]

1 minute ago, BLWizzRanger said:

They have now eclipsed the NFL on what is a catch.

F4 steps into the protected zone and his left foot is clipped in the protected zone by the left foot of R1.  What is the protected zone for?  How is the foot of R1 not unlike a runner throwing up his hands to interfere? Ok, I get it, it was a natural slide that didn't show any kicking motion to clip F4, BUT, F4 WAS IN THE PROTECTED ZONE!  NO CONTACT IN THE PROTECTED ZONE!!!!

They are making it up as they go.  Just when you thought something was cut and dried.

It now seems to be guidelines as opposed to rules. I struggle with the idea that after video review, NCAA super regional umpires overturn what's a violation by rule. 

[Velho]

I was happy U2 caught it in real time (beauty of 4 man) and came up big.

[BLWizzRanger]

17 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

It now seems to be guidelines as opposed to rules. I struggle with the idea that after video review, NCAA super regional umpires overturn what's a violation by rule. 

Got to ask yourself.... if it wasn't the last out of a super regional game, would they left it alone?

[Richvee]

I actually feel bad for U2. The guy had the ⚾️⚾️’s to make a great call—-by rule— in the biggest spot possible, only to be told by the powers that be  

“not today”. 😞

[Umpy]

The solution is probably 20 inch bases.  Heck, 30 inch bases.

[JSam21]

2 hours ago, johnnyg08 said:

It now seems to be guidelines as opposed to rules. I struggle with the idea that after video review, NCAA super regional umpires overturn what's a violation by rule. 

Umpires don't do review in the post season. It is centralized replay. 

[Richvee]

Would love to hear their explanation like they did with the play at home in Oregon. 

[johnnyg08]

1 hour ago, JSam21 said:

Umpires don't do review in the post season. It is centralized replay. 

So who is "centralized replay"? 

Bruns? 

[johnnyg08]

2 hours ago, Umpy said:

The solution is probably 20 inch bases.  Heck, 30 inch bases.

Another option would have been to simply slide to the other side of the base. The distance is the same. 

[Umpy]

21 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

3 hours ago, Umpy said:

The solution is probably 20 inch bases.  Heck, 30 inch bases.

Another option would have been to simply slide to the other side of the base. The distance is the same. 

40 inch bases?

[Richvee]

1 hour ago, johnnyg08 said:

So who is "centralized replay"? 

Bruns? 

Great question. 

[BLWizzRanger]

After watching this debacle again, F4's left foot had never established itself, i.e. touching, the protected area. What a crock if that turns out to be the reason for the overturn.

"Both feet must be in or last touched the protected area to be protected...."

RandyGPT, Why was the U2 thrown under the bus for the judging the play by the book?

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[Velho]

21 minutes ago, BLWizzRanger said:

"Both feet must be in or last touched the protected area to be protected...."

Where is this quote (cite?) from?

[johnnyg08]

1 hour ago, BLWizzRanger said:

"Both feet must be in or last touched the protected area to be protected...."

That reads like it's from someone who has never played middle infield and probably isn't on the field umpiring any more either. Buckle up in in the CWS if this is the new interp.

 

[BigBlue4u]

2 hours ago, Velho said:

"Both feet must be in or last touched the protected area to be protected...."

After viewing the replay, there is no way that is not a legal slide.  He was on the ground and slid DIRECTLY to the base.  Thanks to the replay people for recognizing that. Again, we are looking at a common-sense approach to rule enforcement!!

[BLWizzRanger]

2 hours ago, Velho said:

Where is this quote (cite?) from?

I made it up in anticipation of an explanation.  Sorry for the confusion.... 

[johnnyg08]

28 minutes ago, BigBlue4u said:

After viewing the replay, there is no way that is not a legal slide.  He was on the ground and slid DIRECTLY to the base.  Thanks to the replay people for recognizing that. Again, we are looking at a common-sense approach to rule enforcement!!

Let's roll with that for a moment...why do you feel he didn't slide to the other side of the base? 

[Richvee]

48 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

Let's roll with that for a moment...why do you feel he didn't slide to the other side of the base? 

Also, why do you think a left foot,  to the left of the bag making contact with a fielder on the side of the bag is not a FPSR violation? 

[The Man in Blue]

9 hours ago, Umpy said:

The solution is probably 20 inch bases.  Heck, 30 inch bases.

RLI lines all around the field.  Heck, with turf, color code the area the runner should be in.  

[The Man in Blue]

9 hours ago, BLWizzRanger said:

Got to ask yourself.... if it wasn't the last out of a super regional game, would they left it alone?

Has the same feel as the UI/no BI call in the WCWS.  

[BLWizzRanger]

55 minutes ago, BigBlue4u said:

After viewing the replay, there is no way that is not a legal slide.  He was on the ground and slid DIRECTLY to the base.  Thanks to the replay people for recognizing that. Again, we are looking at a common-sense approach to rule enforcement!!

8-4 Force Play Slide Rule 

(a)-2 - "Directly into a base" means the runner's entire body (feet, legs, trunk, and arms) must stay in a straight line between the bases.

I mean, I think he went straight in, but, he went in on the left side of the base where half of him was in the protected zone and the other half was in the base line. To be crude, his ass crack slid on the edge of the base.  

And, I will just add this here since I asked about it 4 years ago.  And, from the looks of it, NCAA ruled like Maven, Biscuit, Sho102, ReplaceMatt, Mudisfun, and Rich Ives said they would. Not sure I agree (see my earlier comments contradicting myself in the old post) but, they were right in that aspect.  

 

[Richvee]

26 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

Has the same feel as the UI/no BI call in the WCWS.  

This is what bothers me. "You can't make that call in that spot"...I never liked this saying. You see it in hoops ..A foul in the first half isn't a foul with 15 seconds left in the fourth quarter of a close game, ,lack of hockey penalties  in OT, but I always considered baseball different.  A strike in the first inning is a strike in the 9th...interference in the first inning is interference in the 9th.

Even if it's not true, NCAA is creating the optic of "You can't make that call in that spot" goes for baseball as well. 

[Velho]

16 minutes ago, Richvee said:

"You can't make that call in that spot"

Heard the same opinion recently when someone was discussing about a banger at 1B to close a no hitter. "Give it to the pitcher!"