Stealing Home With 2 Outs

[JMGotts]

Runner crosses plate before batter hits the incoming pitch, batter runner put out at 1st. Does the run count?

[beerguy55]

1 hour ago, JMGotts said:

BR hit the ball just after runner slid home. Pitch was well on the way.

With two outs, for the run to count, the runner would have to have crossed the plate before the pitcher started his delivery.

[JSam21]

2 hours ago, JMGotts said:

BR hit the ball just after runner slid home. Pitch was well on the way.

The runner's time of pitch base is still 3rd on this play. By rule, no runs may score when the 3rd out is made by the batter runner before reaching first base.

The play starts at the time of pitch not when the ball is batted. Time of pitch is when the pitcher makes a movement that would commit them to delivering a pitch.

[BigBlue4u]

The run counts only if there are less than two outs.

[jimurrayalterego]

31 minutes ago, BigBlue4u said:

The run counts only if there are less than two outs.

OP needs to specify outs as you say. Also needs to specify where F1 was in his delivery when runner crossed the plate. How runner "crossed" the plate, let catcher receive the pitch, and allowed Batter to swing at the pitch is left up to our imagination.

[JMGotts]

BR hit the ball just after runner slid home. Pitch was well on the way.

[JMGotts]

There’s the answer I was looking for! Thank You!

[beerguy55]

2 hours ago, JMGotts said:

There’s the answer I was looking for! Thank You!

The same principle needs to be applied on foul balls and caught fly balls, to determine which base the runner must return.

[ArchAngel72]

So the pitcher actually pitched the  ball and did not step off and throw it?

 

But the R3 scored before it got to the plate?

 

[SeeingEyeDog]

@JMGotts, just curious...what level of play was this? 9U? 80+?

~Dawg

[beerguy55]

1 hour ago, ArchAngel72 said:

So the pitcher actually pitched the  ball and did not step off and throw it?

 

But the R3 scored before it got to the plate?

 

Not uncommon in the younger levels - say anything under 14 years old.   Runner gets huge jump and oblivious pitcher just never notices...and then just simply pitches.

Batter also likely doesn't know the runner is going...and may be simply that the runner just went on their own...which would explain why the batter still ended up swinging....also not uncommon in those younger groups....I'd be guessing these kids are  under 10.

[JMGotts]

10U. Pitch was in flight and hit by batter after R3 slid into home.

 

[jimurrayalterego]

2 hours ago, JMGotts said:

10U. Pitch was in flight and hit by batter after R3 slid into home.

 

So was the coach ejected? We had a HS umpire eject a coach after a steal of home while the batter swung. He came from a PONY league that had a rule to eject the coach if his batter swung during a steal of home. 

[Velho]

34 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

He came from a PONY league that had a rule to eject the coach if his batter swung during a steal of home

Sounds like a good rule. Of course, if bases were closed at 10U like they should the rule wouldn't be necessary.

[BigBlue4u]

15 hours ago, beerguy55 said:

With two outs, for the run to count, the runner would have to have crossed the plate before the pitcher started his delivery.

Would that be scored as a stolen base?

[beerguy55]

8 hours ago, BigBlue4u said:

Would that be scored as a stolen base?

Yes

[beerguy55]

9 hours ago, jimurrayalterego said:

So was the coach ejected? We had a HS umpire eject a coach after a steal of home while the batter swung. He came from a PONY league that had a rule to eject the coach if his batter swung during a steal of home. 

I don't disagree with the rule, depending on the level, but it's a tough break for a coach to get ejected when R3 goes on his own, and/or the batter either misses the steal sign...or has no idea the runner is going.

[ArchAngel72]

Yea none of this could happen prior to 13U LL as runners cannot leave until the ball reaches the batter.

13U and up different story at least in LL. AAU its different, probably Ripken too