Pitch goes out of play

[Guest Carl]

Can someone help with OBR 7.05 (h)?  It seems to indicate that the batter is awarded one base as well as the runners but that doesn't seem correct (unless it is ball 4 or a D3K).  

7.05 Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance—

(h) One base, if a ball, pitched to the batter, or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher’s plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand or a bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop. The ball is dead;

APPROVED RULING: When a wild pitch or passed ball goes through or by the catcher, or deflects off the catcher, and goes directly into the dugout, stands, above the break, or any area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be one base. One base shall also be awarded if the pitcher while in contact with the rubber, throws to a base, and the throw goes directly into the stands or into any area where the ball is dead. If, however, the pitched or thrown ball goes through or by the catcher or through the fielder, and remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected into the dugout, stands or other area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be two bases from position of runners at the time of the pitch or throw. 

 

[Tborze]

10 minutes ago, Guest Carl said:

Can someone help with OBR 7.05 (h)?  It seems to indicate that the batter is awarded one base as well as the runners but that doesn't seem correct (unless it is ball 4 or a D3K).  

7.05 Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance—

(h) One base, if a ball, pitched to the batter, or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher’s plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand or a bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop. The ball is dead;

APPROVED RULING: When a wild pitch or passed ball goes through or by the catcher, or deflects off the catcher, and goes directly into the dugout, stands, above the break, or any area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be one base. One base shall also be awarded if the pitcher while in contact with the rubber, throws to a base, and the throw goes directly into the stands or into any area where the ball is dead. If, however, the pitched or thrown ball goes through or by the catcher or through the fielder, and remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected into the dugout, stands or other area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be two bases from position of runners at the time of the pitch or throw. 

 

Batter-runner!  Not Batter!

[beerguy55]

15 minutes ago, Guest Carl said:

Can someone help with OBR 7.05 (h)?  It seems to indicate that the batter is awarded one base as well as the runners but that doesn't seem correct (unless it is ball 4 or a D3K).  

7.05 Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance—

(h) One base, if a ball, pitched to the batter, or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher’s plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand or a bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop. The ball is dead;

APPROVED RULING: When a wild pitch or passed ball goes through or by the catcher, or deflects off the catcher, and goes directly into the dugout, stands, above the break, or any area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be one base. One base shall also be awarded if the pitcher while in contact with the rubber, throws to a base, and the throw goes directly into the stands or into any area where the ball is dead. If, however, the pitched or thrown ball goes through or by the catcher or through the fielder, and remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected into the dugout, stands or other area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be two bases from position of runners at the time of the pitch or throw. 

 

If it's not ball four, or uncaught strike three, he's still a batter, not a batter-runner.

That is, when the pitch is thrown, he's still a batter...once it becomes ball four or U3K, he becomes a batter-runner....and the rule applies.

 

[Guest Carl]

It's clear now, thanks!

[MadMax]

1 hour ago, beerguy55 said:

If it's not ball four,

For Guest Carl’s sake and clarification – Ball 4 is, too, an award. The awards are not compounded. If Ball 4 is a PB/WP, and goes into DBT, the award to the BR remains... 1B. 

Not 2B. 

[beerguy55]

2 hours ago, MadMax said:

For Guest Carl’s sake and clarification – Ball 4 is, too, an award. The awards are not compounded. If Ball 4 is a PB/WP, and goes into DBT, the award to the BR remains... 1B. 

Not 2B. 

You couldn't compound them if you wanted to.  Even if baseball did decide to honor consecutive awards in certain scenarios (eg. on consecutive/separate plays), by definition and prerequisites this couldn't be one of them.

The award for four balls is first base (not one base, or a base...but specifically first base)

The award for a pitch out of play is one base from time of pitch....at TOP the batter was at the plate.

They're simply two concurrent events with the same awarded outcome.

[noumpere]

1 hour ago, beerguy55 said:

You couldn't compound them if you wanted to.  Even if baseball did decide to honor consecutive awards in certain scenarios (eg. on consecutive/separate plays), by definition and prerequisites this couldn't be one of them.

The award for four balls is first base (not one base, or a base...but specifically first base)

The award for a pitch out of play is one base from time of pitch....at TOP the batter was at the plate.

They're simply two concurrent events with the same awarded outcome.

(insert blue font sarcastic emoji)

Maybe the BR gets first *AND* there's a "ghost runner" also on first.  Then, when the BR scores, it counts for two runs.

 

OR:  R1 scoring always counts for three runs; R2 for two runs.  B scoring on an out-of-the park homer still counts only for 1 run, to increase the emphasis on putting the ball in play.  B scoring when the ball remains in the park counts four runs.

 

Does anyone have Rob Manfred's email address?  OR that of the Savannah Bananas?

[The Man in Blue]

2 hours ago, noumpere said:

OR:  R1 scoring always counts for three runs; R2 for two runs.  B scoring on an out-of-the park homer still counts only for 1 run, to increase the emphasis on putting the ball in play.  B scoring when the ball remains in the park counts four runs.

 

Does anyone have Rob Manfred's email address?  OR that of the Savannah Bananas?

From the Office of the Commissioner of Major League Baseball, marked for immediate release:

”We know that fans love scoring and more scoring means more fan excitement.  We also have analyzed other sports and found that multiple scoring methods worth varying point values create excitement in the game and increase competition.  Effective with the last 37 days of the season, our mewling whelps … I mean strategic partners in the Atlantic League will be testing a new rules change that we hope to roll out in MLB next year.

To create more dynamic plays and increase scoring opportunities, runners will be awarded extra runs for every base they touch on the play that drives them home.  A runner scoring from third base will get the traditional one run, but a runner scoring from second will get two and a runner scoring from first will get three.  A home run will net the batter four runs.

Think about how exciting it will be for teams to actually be able to come back from large deficits with a ten-run grand slam!”

 

(Note: Following the press conference, Frank Viola was ejected for drunkenly assaulting a copy machine that he mistook for a robot umpire.)

[The Man in Blue]

Had to come back and revisit this thread because I had Ole Smitty for a partner one day this weekend … and he insisted that he was correct by overruling me and sending R1 to third and the BR to second on a ball four pitched out of play … as I was explaining to the coach that it feels yucky, but they don’t get anything more out of it.  The coach was calmed down and good … until Ole Smitty stepped in “to fix it.”

 

Just wanted to make sure I was right for future reference.

 

[JonnyCat]