LL mound visits

[Mister B]

So recently LL reduced the number of mound visits from 3/inning to 2 and from 4/game to 3. On a per pitcher basis. At a recent district meeting, it was mentioned that a coach being on the infield, in fair territory, would get a warning or be charged with a visit. During the tournament, coaches won't be allowed on the field unless they get permission from the umpire. Base coaches can't come out until the throw down. 

This has been met with some resistance. The rules state "in one inning" and since I'm not aware of any breaks in time during or between innings, I would agree that it should be counted as a visit. I have one coach that claims that it happens during "dead ball" time, to which I responded, "all mound visits are during a dead ball." 

How is this treated at other levels? Anybody with specific LL knowledge?

[Rich Ives]

1 hour ago, Mister B said:

So recently LL reduced the number of mound visits from 3/inning to 2 and from 4/game to 3. On a per pitcher basis. At a recent district meeting, it was mentioned that a coach being on the infield, in fair territory, would get a warning or be charged with a visit. During the tournament, coaches won't be allowed on the field unless they get permission from the umpire. Base coaches can't come out until the throw down. 

This has been met with some resistance. The rules state "in one inning" and since I'm not aware of any breaks in time during or between innings, I would agree that it should be counted as a visit. I have one coach that claims that it happens during "dead ball" time, to which I responded, "all mound visits are during a dead ball." 

How is this treated at other levels? Anybody with specific LL knowledge?

Crossing the foul line is one of the criteria for a visit.  Getting permission is already in the rules.  Your deity will have to help you if you're the one that doesn't grant permission.

Visiting during the changeover is NOT a visit unless it delays the start of the next half inning.

A visit during a time out requested by the other team is NOT a visit unless it delays the restart.

Coaches waiting for the throw-down is already in the rules - has been for a few years now.

[Aging_Arbiter]

12 hours ago, Mister B said:

I have one coach that claims that it happens during "dead ball" time, to which I responded, "all mound visits are during a dead ball." 

I believe you were looking for "time out"

[Mudisfun]

Straight from LL's site:

 

Rule 8.06:
This rule, which applies to each pitcher who enters a game, governs the visits of the manager or coach to the pitcher at the mound.

(a) A manager or coach may come out once (Minor Division: twice) in one inning to visit with the pitcher, but the second time (Minor Division: third time) out, the player must be removed as a pitcher. Example: If a manager visits Pitcher A once in the first inning, then makes a pitching change in the same inning, Pitcher B would be allowed one visit in that inning before being removed on the second visit.

(b) A manager or coach may come out twice (Minor Division: three times) in one game to visit with the pitcher, but the third time (Minor Division: fourth time) out, the player must be removed as a pitcher. Example: If a manager visits Pitcher A twice in the first three innings, then makes a pitching change in the fourth inning, Pitcher B would be allowed two visits in that game before being removed on the third visit, subject to the limits in (a) above.

[Rich Ives]

49 minutes ago, Mudisfun said:

Straight from LL's site:

 

Rule 8.06:
This rule, which applies to each pitcher who enters a game, governs the visits of the manager or coach to the pitcher at the mound.

(a) A manager or coach may come out once (Minor Division: twice) in one inning to visit with the pitcher, but the second time (Minor Division: third time) out, the player must be removed as a pitcher. Example: If a manager visits Pitcher A once in the first inning, then makes a pitching change in the same inning, Pitcher B would be allowed one visit in that inning before being removed on the second visit.

(b) A manager or coach may come out twice (Minor Division: three times) in one game to visit with the pitcher, but the third time (Minor Division: fourth time) out, the player must be removed as a pitcher. Example: If a manager visits Pitcher A twice in the first three innings, then makes a pitching change in the fourth inning, Pitcher B would be allowed two visits in that game before being removed on the third visit, subject to the limits in (a) above.

You used to have to visit at the foul line. They just changed the wording to "at the mound" to allow visits at the mound. It does NOT mean a visit held elsewhere is not a visit.

[Mudisfun]

None of the bold type is mine... straight copy/paste from LL's site.

If a coach asks for time and meets with his team, mound, line, outfield... where ever... he is getting a visit charged. 

[Mister B]

16 hours ago, Rich Ives said:

Visiting during the changeover is NOT a visit unless it delays the start of the next half inning.

The inning started when the third out was recorded. According to 8.03, they have one minute from the time they take the mound. 

 

5 hours ago, Aging_Arbiter said:

18 hours ago, Mister B said:

 

I believe you were looking for "time out"

Isn't it a dead ball during a time out?

16 minutes ago, Mudisfun said:

If a coach asks for time and meets with his team, mound, line, outfield... where ever... he is getting a visit charged.

The part that confuses me is when are coaches are allowed on the field?  Can they be out there during preparatory pitches? Perhaps immediately after a pitching change, but I would say no during a changeover. 

 

Typically, we are pretty lax on this during the regular season, but in the final couple of weeks we like to buckle down and prepare coaches for Tournament play, 

[Mudisfun]

Between innings, yes the coaches can be on the field. They can stand with their pitcher, have a chat, whatever. There is nothing live happening at this point. 

When I tell them 2 more, I expect that when the last one is thrown that they are heading off the field.

[Rich Ives]

7 hours ago, Mister B said:

The inning started when the third out was recorded. According to 8.03, they have one minute from the time they take the mound. 

 

Isn't it a dead ball during a time out?

The part that confuses me is when are coaches are allowed on the field?  Can they be out there during preparatory pitches? Perhaps immediately after a pitching change, but I would say no during a changeover. 

 

Typically, we are pretty lax on this during the regular season, but in the final couple of weeks we like to buckle down and prepare coaches for Tournament play, 

Are you here to learn or just to be obstinate?

[Mister B]

On 5/11/2018 at 9:03 PM, Rich Ives said:

Are you here to learn or just to be obstinate?

Sometimes it takes a couple times to click. If being a good umpire was as easy as reading the rulebook, there wouldn't be as much of a shortage. 

Talked to our UIC, he said to chase them off the field with a warning. If they don't listen, charge them with a visit. 

[isired]

Also, if the OP is looking for clarification, asking for timeout and meeting with any defensive player is technically also a visit, once the inning has started.

[Rich Ives]

22 hours ago, Mister B said:

Sometimes it takes a couple times to click. If being a good umpire was as easy as reading the rulebook, there wouldn't be as much of a shortage. 

Talked to our UIC, he said to chase them off the field with a warning. If they don't listen, charge them with a visit. 

He's wrong.