Rule quiz

[Mizzou2016]

No cheating:

OBR 2 out Bases Loaded

Batter walks, R3 trots home, R2 sprints to 3rd and overruns the base. The Catcher throws down to third and F5 tags R2 beyond third (3rd out), before R3 touches home.

Does the run score?

[jpperez14]

Yes.

[ElkOil]

No.  This is a time play appealing to 3B and the third out was made before the runner crossed home.

Let's see how wrong I am...

Edited October 1, 2015 by ElkOil

[noumpere]

No.  This is a time play appealing to 3B and the third out was made before the runner crossed home.

Let's see how wrong I am...

Way wrong.  The run scores.

 

I think the play is right in the rule book.

[Rich Ives]

Run scores.

[Mizzou2016]

3 out of 4 ain't bad.

Yea the play is 5.06(b)(3)(B) Comment.

The theory being that the runner is forced home without liability to be put out on the base on balls and all the runner needed to do was to proceed and touch the next base.

[Forest Ump]

3 out of 4 ain't bad.

Yea the play is 5.06(b)(3)(B) Comment.

The theory being that the runner is forced home without liability to be put out on the base on balls and all the runner needed to do was to proceed and touch the next base.

This. +1

[Mizzou2016]

Next question: Batter hits a line drive to the RF corner, F9 throws his glove at the ball to stop it. Battery-runner continues running, and is thrown out at home.

Out? Or place the runner at third?

[noumpere]

Out.  If BR was out before third, then he's be awarded third.  Advancing past the "protected / awarded base" is at his own risk.

[Rich Ives]

Out.  If BR was out before third, then he's be awarded third.  Advancing past the "protected / awarded base" is at his own risk.

This.

[grayhawk]

Out.  If BR was out before third, then he's be awarded third.  Advancing past the "protected / awarded base" is at his own risk.

Unless the BR had already reached first at the time the glove hit the ball.  In that case, he's awarded home.

I was watching a couple of games last night at a park near my office and an interesting situation happened.  Clean base hit to left center.  As F7 is running to cut it off, he's reaching down the the glove comes off his hand and touches the ball.  From my angle, I could not discern whether he threw it at the ball, or if it came off his hand accidentally as he was reaching down.  It was a solo game and the umpire made no call.  I think a "that's nothing" would be warranted in this situation to indicate that you saw it and judged it to be the glove being dropped and not thrown.

Edited October 1, 2015 by grayhawk

[stkjock]

GH - any idea what level of play in that incident?  

[grayhawk]

GH - any idea what level of play in that incident?  

Looked like HS JV.

[Mike Walsh]

Next question: Batter hits a line drive to the RF corner, F9 throws his glove at the ball to stop it. Battery-runner continues running, and is thrown out at home.

Out? Or place the runner at third?

Out if the glove hit the ball; out if the glove missed, too.

[jpperez14]

R3, 1 out. OBR rules.

 

Pitcher doesn't come to a stop, balks, batter swings and makes contact with the catchers glove, CI, fly ball to right field. Right fielder drops the ball, R3 (clueless) runs half way to home, retreats back to 3rd to retouch. ( R3 thought the ball was caught) R3 took a step towards home, but ends up back at 3rd. BR busted out of the gate and tries for 2. F3 cuts off the throw home and throws out BR at 2nd.

 

What do you have?

Edited October 1, 2015 by jpperez14

[Tksjewelry]

R3, 1 out. OBR rules.

 

Pitcher doesn't come to a stop, balks, batter swings and makes contact with the catchers glove, CI, fly ball to right field. Right fielder drops the ball, R3 (clueless) runs half way to home, retreats back to 3rd to retouch. ( R3 thought the ball was caught) BR busted out of the gate and tries for 2. F3 cuts off the throw home and throws out BR at 2nd.

 

What do you have?

Holy moly that's it going on. Did this really happen? I'd have a dead ball at the moment of CI. Runners awarded bases accordingly. Is that correct? Wait, would the balk be ignored on an advance on a CI? I'm guessing the CI supersedes. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

[grayhawk]

R3, 1 out. OBR rules.

 

Pitcher doesn't come to a stop, balks, batter swings and makes contact with the catchers glove, CI, fly ball to right field. Right fielder drops the ball, R3 (clueless) runs half way to home, retreats back to 3rd to retouch. ( R3 thought the ball was caught) BR busted out of the gate and tries for 2. F3 cuts off the throw home and throws out BR at 2nd.

 

What do you have?

A headache.

 

Since the conditions don't exist to disregard either the balk or the CI, I would enforce the balk since it happened first.  Send R3 home and bring the batter back to bat with the count he had prior to the balk.

[Rich Ives]

Conditions do not exist to ignore the balk so you have to enforce it.

 

 

[UMP45]

Holy moly that's it going on. Did this really happen? I'd have a dead ball at the moment of

CI

. Runners awarded bases accordingly. Is that correct? Wait, would the balk be ignored on an advance on a

CI

? I'm guessing the

CI

supersedes. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tap

CI is a delayed dead ball. 

[Replacematt]

Conditions do not exist to ignore the balk so you have to enforce it.

No, you don't.

If you enforce the CI penalty, then you don't enforce the balk. If you ignore the CI penalty, then you enforce the balk. The balk is the play, so it can be superseded by the CI penalty.

[Dbellyflop]

enforce the balk. since all runners did not advance on the play after the balk.

so run scores, and  batter returns to bat. 

Rule 8.05 (old numbers)

PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability
to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls,
a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which
case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.

 

Edited October 2, 2015 by Dbellyflop
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[Rich Ives]

No, you don't.

If you enforce the CI penalty, then you don't enforce the balk. If you ignore the CI penalty, then you enforce the balk. The balk is the play, so it can be superseded by the CI penalty.

You can't ignore the balk because the batter and all runners did not advance. Therefore you enforce the balk which creates a dead ball so no CI.

[Replacematt]

You can't ignore the balk because the batter and all runners did not advance. Therefore you enforce the balk which creates a dead ball so no CI.

What are you saying? The ball is delayed-dead at the end of action, not immediately dead. Thus, the CI exists. The play results in enforcing the balk, the penalty does not.

[Dbellyflop]

What are you saying? The ball is delayed-dead at the end of action, not immediately dead. Thus, the CI exists. The play results in enforcing the balk, the penalty does not.

Yes. The balk is a delayed dead ball. If the batter and all runners don't advance 1 base then the ball is dead, and the balk is enforced. Hence the CI never happened.

[Mudisfun]

All runners including the batter failed to advance one base. I would enforce the balk. R3 scores and b/r back to the plate. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk