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Thunderheads

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I watched the game and the replays, I'm on your line of thought, the leap, the bag giving way some and the torque of the body could cause the leg whip.  What I did not care for was that Mendez did not wait to apologize to F3 after he was on the ground in pain. 

of course he didn't ....... it was intentional

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Thunderheads
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sorry guys ..... nope ..... it's not possible.  That "whip" of the leg was intentional.  The body just doesn't move like that

lawump
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What the heck, I'll jump in: (1)  I thought the U1 was the best base umpire I've ever seen (on TV...I've never seen a LLWS game in person) at Williamsport.  Even just the body language he gave off whe

Dbellyflop
Dbellyflop

Yes!!!! Just wish he caught the elbow from F3. But nobody is watching for that. Also the CA runner kicking F3 seemed on purpose. I was really disappointed by the dirty play of some of the CA players. 

grayhawk

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of course he didn't ....... it was intentional

Jeff, I invite you to try doing what the BR did and maintain total control over the off leg.  Run 55 feet at full speed, but double the length of your last stride and see what the other leg does.  I take no responsibility for any injury you suffer in your attempt to replicate this.

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grayhawk

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It's consistent in regionals and the LLWS.  PU always throws a new ball to the pitcher while the catcher retrieves the ball.  Been that way for years.

This man seemed to have difficulty throwing - not uncommon for some older people or ones with a shoulder problem - so he went out so he could get the ball there.

On fouls to the backstop, PU needs to throw a new ball in because F2 is retrieving the ball with no on deck batter to do it.  I get that.  On fouls down the line?  Not so much.  Just hand F2 a new ball, especially if you have some physical limitation from being able to throw the ball 40 feet.  Some of the guys in the regionals even took their masks off to throw a new ball in after taking 3 steps in front of the plate.

Thunderheads

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Jeff, I invite you to try doing what the BR did and maintain total control over the off leg.  Run 55 feet at full speed, but double the length of your last stride and see what the other leg does.  I take no responsibility for any injury you suffer in your attempt to replicate this.

Steve,

you won't be responsible, because I played the game my entire youth, and softball into my 30's, I won't hurt myself (well, at least I hope I don't :) ).  However, what I know won't happen is, having my off leg whip around forward, ...that I can tell you for sure.

Jimurray

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On fouls to the backstop, PU needs to throw a new ball in because F2 is retrieving the ball with no on deck batter to do it.  I get that.  On fouls down the line?  Not so much.  Just hand F2 a new ball, especially if you have some physical limitation from being able to throw the ball 40 feet.  Some of the guys in the regionals even took their masks off to throw a new ball in after taking 3 steps in front of the plate.

I haven't watched a lot of the LLWS but it may be that pure LL catchers don't know to put their hand up. I've seen that in regular season.

grayhawk

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Steve,

you won't be responsible, because I played the game my entire youth, and softball into my 30's, I won't hurt myself (well, at least I hope I don't :) ).  However, what I know won't happen is, having my off leg whip around forward, ...that I can tell you for sure.

At your age, I'd be surprised if you're able to even get the off leg through without dragging it on the ground.

stkjock

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I haven't watched a lot of the LLWS but it may be that pure LL catchers don't know to put their hand up. I've seen that in regular season.

put their hand up for a new ball?

 

As GH stated, they are instructed to get the passed ball/foul ball and the PU throws in a new ball.  In my 5 recent years of youth ball that is done nearly 100% of the time, pace of game deal.

Thunderheads

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At your age, I'd be surprised if you're able to even get the off leg through without dragging it on the ground.

at my age? :HS .... by the way, old man, happy birthday belated! :)

that's more than likely the motion as your body is coming to a quick halt .... 

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grayhawk

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put their hand up for a new ball?

 

As GH stated, they are instructed to get the passed ball/foul ball and the PU throws in a new ball.  In my 5 recent years of youth ball that is done nearly 100% of the time, pace of game deal.

I'm saying the opposite, at least when it comes to fouls down the lines.  On those, F2 is just standing there, and if you feel that you have to step 10 feet closer to the pitcher to be able to get a new ball to him, then just handing one to F2 would be better and faster.  If F2 isn't used to it, I'm sure after a couple of times saying "here you go catch," he'll get the idea.  On balls to the backstop where F2 has to go get them (since there are no on deck batters), go ahead and toss a new one in.

Rich Ives

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On fouls to the backstop, PU needs to throw a new ball in because F2 is retrieving the ball with no on deck batter to do it.  I get that.  On fouls down the line?  Not so much. 

That's what they are instructed to do.

Jimurray

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put their hand up for a new ball?

 

As GH stated, they are instructed to get the passed ball/foul ball and the PU throws in a new ball.  In my 5 recent years of youth ball that is done nearly 100% of the time, pace of game deal.

When the ball is not retrievable by the catcher and he is standing or squatting in front of you watching the ball go into the stands they normally should expect to get a new ball from the umpire. But I have no problem if the ump wants to throw it back. 

Rich Ives

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Steve,

you won't be responsible, because I played the game my entire youth, and softball into my 30's, I won't hurt myself (well, at least I hope I don't :) ).  However, what I know won't happen is, having my off leg whip around forward, ...that I can tell you for sure.

FWIW the consensus (100%) in a LL forum I belong to is that it was not intentional.

stkjock

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I'm saying the opposite, at least when it comes to fouls down the lines.  On those, F2 is just standing there, and if you feel that you have to step 10 feet closer to the pitcher to be able to get a new ball to him, then just handing one to F2 would be better and faster.  If F2 isn't used to it, I'm sure after a couple of times saying "here you go catch," he'll get the idea.  On balls to the backstop where F2 has to go get them (since there are no on deck batters), go ahead and toss a new one in.

gotcha, thanks for the clarification. 

grayhawk

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When the ball is not retrievable by the catcher and he is standing or squatting in front of you watching the ball go into the stands they normally should expect to get a new ball from the umpire. But I have no problem if the ump wants to throw it back. 

I have no problem with it under normal circumstances.  But if you physically have to run around the batter to get in front of the plate to do so, then it's a waste of time and looks foolish.

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Thunderheads

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FWIW the consensus (100%) in a LL forum I belong to is that it was not intentional.

Rich, I'm perfectly fine with that .........

3 facebook pages I frequent are leaning intent .... 

typical forum opinions, etc, etc ...... :)

stkjock

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When the ball is not retrievable by the catcher and he is standing or squatting in front of you watching the ball go into the stands they normally should expect to get a new ball from the umpire. But I have no problem if the ump wants to throw it back. 

Makes sense. Thank you

Richvee

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What's your take on PU's conversation with the HC and F2 for California?

For those who did not see, PU called a borderline pitch a ball and F2 held it longer than he probably should have. PU then marched F2 over to the team dugout to have a conversation with the HC. Of course, no one knows if F2 and PU had already had one or more conversations on that issue.

The three way conversation seemed out of place. Perhaps it needed to be done to keep F2 in the game? I don't know that I have ever had that kind of conversation. When I need to address the player I do it with the player. If I think a manger needs to know about something I address it with the manager - one on one. 

 

I thought it was out of place. We're in a tie game with the winner going to the national finals, 2 strikes on a batter, you've missed more than a few strikes right down the middle tonight and you got to know it. Now you stop the game because F2 held a cock shot that was strike 3, inning over that you somehow missed? Tell him to knock it off, if he said something bad, address it with the coach in between innings if you feel you must. Don't hold up a game like this to give the kid a lecture in front of his coach.

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lscoach

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I'm in the not intentional camp on the leg sweep.  The kid took a long stride and fell all over himself.  In slow mo it looked like maybe he did it on purpose but at full speed there's no way it looked intentional.

I'm willing to bet F2 didn't just hold that pitch too long.  He probably said something that in any other game would get him ejected.  HPU probably did him a favor by bringing his coach into it.

Did anybody catch the HBP after the HR that CA hit?  F1 apologized to the kid he hit.  After F1 walked away, the screen went silent for about 10 seconds as R1 turned to talk to his 1BC.  Once the sound cut back in, the announcers were speechless for another good 15 seconds.  If you read the kids lips what he said looked laced with profanity.  It would explain the censored silence and surprised silence of the announcers.  That game was getting out of hand quickly.

stkjock

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Was that the one in the Mexico/Venezuela game?  If so, it was definitely obstruction even though the runner scored anyway.

yeah, I think you're correct, I've watched so many of them in the last week, I'm having trouble keeping them straight. :D

 

yea, I was surprised a bit as the called it after the runner has slide in  safe and time is called, killing all further offensive advancement.

jjb

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About 16 years ago, I was working the finals in a BR Regional Tournament (15 yr div). A ball went back to the backstop and the catcher went back to retrieve it. F1 was walking down the mound towards me. To this day, I swear he was looking at me. I threw him the ball, and he immediately looked down. Hit him right on the tip of the nose. Blood everywhere. His mom (who was a nurse) came out, looked at and told me "yep, it's broken". Off to the hospital.

 

....to this day, I have never thrown a ball to the pitcher. Here ya go, catch.....

Aging_Arbiter

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Was that the one in the Mexico/Venezuela game?  If so, it was definitely obstruction even though the runner scored anyway.

Yep.

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