Recovered overthrow, thrown from DBT

[MooseLoop]

OBR.  R1.  Pitcher attempts pickoff (from the rubber).  There is the typical fence parallel to, and about 15 feet away, from first base line, ending about even with the outfield grass,and the extension of which marks dead ball territory.  F3 misses the throw, ball hits fence and rolls toward right field about 10 feet past the end of the fence, stopping about three feet in bounds from the fence-extended line.  F9 runs over, and as he is picking up the ball, his feet slip out from under him and he falls facedown on the ball, with his knees in LBT and his feet in the air.  He picks up the ball, pushes himself to a kneeling position, and the toes of his shoes hit dead ball territory half a second before he releases a throw to third base trying to put out R1, who is two steps past second.  At the moment the throw is released, F9's weight mostly is on his knees in live ball territory, but the toes of both his shoes are touching the ground in dead ball territory, giving him some leverage on the throw.  R5 catches the throw and tags out R1.

 

What result?  What rule, if any? Different in FED?

 

 

[noumpere]

FED:  Still in LBT.  See the COMMENT in 2-CATCH (sorry, no book to give the exact cite or quote)

 

and, there's a case or an interp where the knees are in but the feet are out -- the ruling is "in play"

 

OBR:  Also LBT.  If the fielder gets off his knees, then DBT.  This one is more judgement about the "amount" in each -- but a fielder straddling the line is deemed to be in DBT.

[Rich Ives]

In OBR you can throw from DBT if the fielder didn't fall while there. NCAA lets the locals groundrule that you have to return to LBT before throwing.

[noumpere]

In OBR you can throw from DBT if the fielder didn't fall while there.

Or if you fall into there.  And, had he gone a bit farther in the OP, he would have.

 

Same for NCAA, and a "controlled slide" is not a fall.

[labguy1971]

Good question, I would have just gone by where the ball was.  So learning something more on this topic.

[maven]

Good question, I would have just gone by where the ball was. So learning something more on this topic.

Fair/foul is about the ball. Live ball/dead ball is about the player (usually about his feet).

[woodiemiller]

 

Good question, I would have just gone by where the ball was. So learning something more on this topic.

Fair/foul is about the ball. Live ball/dead ball is about the player (usually about his feet).

 

So when a ball is thrown or hit into DBT its about the player? LOL

[woodiemiller]

Maven,

Thats like saying "obstruction is usually against the defense while usually interference is against the offense." Thats not true & Live ball/dead ball is not just about the player.

[Senor Azul]

Mr. woodiemiller, obviously you disagree with maven's earlier post in this thread. So is it safe to assume that if this topic ever occurs again that you will:

 

Quote the maven, nevermore

 

(my apologies to E. A. Poe)

[bam]

Mr. woodiemiller, obviously you disagree with maven's earlier post in this thread. So is it safe to assume that if this topic ever occurs again that you will:

 

Quote the maven, nevermore

 

(my apologies to E. A. Poe)

You must have been waiting a long time to use that one...

 

You could have given it a premature burial... (for Poe fans out there)

[afaber12]

 

 

Good question, I would have just gone by where the ball was. So learning something more on this topic.

Fair/foul is about the ball. Live ball/dead ball is about the player (usually about his feet).

 

So when a ball is thrown or hit into DBT its about the player? LOL

 

Maven,

Thats like saying "obstruction is usually against the defense while usually interference is against the offense." Thats not true & Live ball/dead ball is not just about the player.

 

I'm fairly confident that, though it wasn't explicitly stated, @maven was referring to situations where the fielder is holding or touches the ball near the respective lines in question. It's when there is a fielder who catches the ball near the boundary to dead ball territory or has already fielded the ball and goes near to or across the line that the question of live/dead ball gets people unstuck, and is almost certainly what maven was talking about.

 

I'd be surprised if any umpire thought that a ball hit or thrown into and on dead ball territory was still live.

[grayhawk]

Of course that's what he was talking about. Some people just like to argue.