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  1. IF the umpire determined that the collision could have been avoided, THEN lowering the shoulder would support that determination. The play to imagine there is one where the runner is gunning for F2 all along and has time to line him up and knock him down A runner lowering the shoulder does not REQUIRE the umpire to rule that the collision is avoidable. Given the timing on this play, ruling the collision avoidable is a stretch. Watch how fast it blows up in real time when F2 steps into the runner's path, and imagine the runner went in standing up.
  2. As you've observed, A, B, and C are all true. That makes them all equally good responses. D is better, as it includes 2 true responses. No available response is better than D. Choose D.
  3. The rules have already been posted. The difference is captured in our terminology: returning to 2B from 3B is something a runner does. Once a runner legally scores, he is no longer a runner, he's a retired/scored runner. By rule, only runners run the bases.
  4. No. He takes fly balls in that area ONLY when he goes out, and he goes out only on trouble balls (4 kinds). Otherwise, BU will come into the infield, pivot, and take the BR. In that case, PU has fly balls to RF. BU should watch the ball until his other responsibility (seeing the action around 1B when the BR arrives) takes him off it. Watch the ball, glance at runners.
  5. The issue in this play is not when his exemption from OBS begins, but when it ends. As you yourself asked previously, does his failure to field the throw cleanly leave him liable for OBS, or is he still protected as he recovers the ball provided that he does not further impede the runner?
  6. Frankly, I think you could make a "baseball case" for either interpretation. Neither one is obviously the right way to go. To promote consistency, NCAA will need an official interpretation of how they want umpires to rule on the OBS exception in their rule.
  7. You're too kind. I'm wrong plenty around here, plus I don't know pro ball as well as many others who contribute to this forum.
  8. True enough. But not only that: unlike plays at 1B or tag plays on the bases (of which we see many), we might go a week or more without a close play at the plate. Without much practice, it's difficult to acquire a skill.
  9. Not in pro ball. Why would he be? The collision rule aims to minimize collisions, but recognizes that some are unavoidable. Play the bounce. In OBR-based codes that have MC provisions, apply those accordingly.
  10. You're right: we can't get 2 outs for a BOO. This is not substantially different from a batter who grounds out, and then the defense appeals BOO. The BOO supersedes the out made during play (or the time at bat).
  11. I don't think that's how pro ball is interpreting the collision rule. In this play, they'd rule that F2 initiated the collision as he moved into the runner's path. Given the time frame, this collision also probably fails to satisfy the "avoidable collision" clause (that is, the runner could not reasonably be expected to have avoided it). The collision rule prohibits the runner from deviating from his path in order to initiate contact with F2. It does not require him to alter his path when F2 moves to block the plate. In short, not all collisions are the result of illegal action, either by a runner or F2. The rule is 6.01(i)(1):
  12. By the book, I agree. My state wants a signal even on a can of corn. Do as your supervisor instructs. Also: whoever dinged you for an "out" signal after an out needs to get out more.
  13. I was helping in the field and called a start/stop balk on my 5-year-old's coach last season. I thought he was going to pass out he was laughing so hard. A couple daddy-coaches coming up in that league that know the rules better than most.
  14. This, which is clearer than my "unscoring" terminology. In the contrast example, where R3's run is scored legally, even if the defense plays on R3 returning or appeals, R3 cannot be retired as he already scored.
  15. I agree with you: I have F2 legal under OBR in his attempt to field the throw. He moves into the runner's path to field the throw, and doesn't move as he recovers the bobble. No infraction for OBR. I am no authority on NCAA, but the language suggests that Jimurray is interpreting it correctly, and he seems to be leaning OBS here because of the fielder's failure to field the throw cleanly. If you're keeping score at home, if I have them right the results are: FED: OBS NCAA: OBS OBR: legal play