Out or Nothing? Why?

[johnnyg08]

I am posting this for discussion.  If this happened in your game and you are PU, what are your mechanics?  If relevant, cite the rule and the rule set. (FED, NCAA, OBR)

 

R3. B1 hits deep to the first baseman, who throws home to put out R3 advancing. The throw strikes BR, who is not in the running lane. 

 

 

 

Ready, set, go...

[Jimurray]

I am posting this for discussion.  If this happened in your game and you are PU, what are your mechanics?  If relevant, cite the rule and the rule set. (FED, NCAA, OBR)

 

R3. B1 hits deep to the first baseman, who throws home to put out R3 advancing. The throw strikes BR, who is not in the running lane. 

 

 

 

Ready, set, go...

That's nothing. Might need a safe sign and verbal depending the reactions of the players. Assuming the location of the BR was not intentional to interfere with the throw.

[blue23ll]

Nothing, RLI is for plays going the 'other' direction.

[Rich Ives]

I am posting this for discussion.  If this happened in your game and you are PU, what are your mechanics?  If relevant, cite the rule and the rule set. (FED, NCAA, OBR)

 

R3. B1 hits deep to the first baseman, who throws home to put out R3 advancing. The throw strikes BR, who is not in the running lane. 

 

 

 

Ready, set, go...

 

As the ball was not being fielded to first and the interference was not intentional - play the bounce. The mechanic is a safe sign with a declaration "that's nothing".

 

BECAUSE:

 

The runner is out when:

 

OBR:

 

6.05 (k) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball

is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or

inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes

with the fielder taking the throw at first base,

 

and

 

7.08 (b) He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to

make a play on a batted ball;

 

7.09 (j) He fails to avoid a fielder who is attempting to field a batted ball, or intentionally

interferes with a thrown ball,

 

 

NCAA

 

7-11-p. In running the last half of the distance from home plate to first base while

the ball is being fielded to first base, the batter-runner runs outside the 3-foot

restraining line or inside the foul line and, in so doing, interferes with the

fielder taking the throw at first base,

 

8-5-d. The runner interferes intentionally with a throw or thrown ball,

 

FED

 

8-4-1-g. he runs outside the three-foot running lane (last half of the distance from

home plate to first base), while the ball is being fielded or thrown to first

base;

 

8-4-2-g. intentionally interferes with a throw or a thrown ball;

 

 

QED

[noumpere]

I am posting this for discussion.  If this happened in your game and you are PU,

 

Is it the PU's call, the BU's call (assuming 3 or 4 or 6 or 15 umpires), or both's call?  SInce the OP specified the running lane, assume that BR was more than half way to first.

[blue23ll]

The PU has the best angle to make the call, I'm not sure how the BU in any configuration could see it properly. 

[JaxRolo]

The PU has the best angle to make the call, I'm not sure how the BU in any configuration could see it properly.

Agree. With U1 in B or C depending on how many outs his angle is not good.

[maven]

If you see INT, call INT.

[noumpere]

The PU has the best angle to make the call, I'm not sure how the BU in any configuration could see it properly. 

 

 

 

The PU has the best angle to make the call, I'm not sure how the BU in any configuration could see it properly.

Agree. With U1 in B or C depending on how many outs his angle is not good.

 

I was discussing U1 in A -- he has as good a look as PU at this play,

[blue23ll]

The PU has the best view of the BR's positioning during the run to first. I'm not sure how U1 in A can see this play in its entirety in order to make the proper call. 

[conbo61]

 

The PU has the best angle to make the call, I'm not sure how the BU in any configuration could see it properly. 

 

 

 

The PU has the best angle to make the call, I'm not sure how the BU in any configuration could see it properly.

Agree. With U1 in B or C depending on how many outs his angle is not good.

 

I was discussing U1 in A -- he has as good a look as PU at this play,

 

U1 would only be in A in a three or 4 man crew with a runner on third (unless 2nd and 3rd, then the deep "B").  In a two man crew, U1 should be in C.

[maven]

The PU has the best view of the BR's positioning during the run to first. I'm not sure how U1 in A can see this play in its entirety in order to make the proper call. 

 

The BR's position is irrelevant to ruling runner INT on this play, since the RLI is irrelevant.

 

INT with a thrown ball must be intentional. If the BR does something with his hand in front of his body, PU will be straightlined, and BU in C will probably have a better look at the INT.

 

OTOH, if BR deviates in his path in order to intentionally put himself in the path of the throw, PU will have a better look at that INT.

 

If you see INT, call INT. This call is not restricted to one umpire or the other. If both are chest-to-ball, both will get a look at the play.

[blue23ll]

Ok, in the original situation, I agree. I am talking about when RLI is relevant. I thought that was clear, my apologies if it wasn't.

[grayhawk]

I had the exact play in the OP. I called, "that's nothing." DC came out and wanted an explanation, which I gave him and he was confused but satisfied.

[Majordave]

That's what they say about you 'Hawk......."He always leaves 'em satisfied."