Bases loaded issue

[Guest TJames]

Bases loaded, 1 out.  Batter hits a low fly ball (not quite a pop-up, not a line-drive) to SS who makes the catch. 3rd base runner tags up, 2nd base runner is about 10 feet off 2B.  SS sees this and tosses ball to

2nd baseman.  Runner on third, upon seeing SS toss ball to 2ndl, makes a dash to home; runner at 2nd is called out (both base and runner are tagged by 2nd baseman).  A second or so later, the 3rd base runner crosses home plate.  Umps initially say the run did not score, but then change their mind and decide that the run did count.

Thoughts?

[StrikeToWin]

Run does not count.  Not totally sure if this is a timing play or not since it wasn't a force but if the third out was recorded on the appeal of 2nd base before the runner crossed the plate it wouldn't matter.  No run scores.

[SoCal Lurker]

Bases loaded, 1 out.  Batter hits a low fly ball (not quite a pop-up, not a line-drive) to SS who makes the catch. 3rd base runner tags up, 2nd base runner is about 10 feet off 2B.  SS sees this and tosses ball to

2nd baseman.  Runner on third, upon seeing SS toss ball to 2ndl, makes a dash to home; runner at 2nd is called out (both base and runner are tagged by 2nd baseman).  A second or so later, the 3rd base runner crosses home plate.  Umps initially say the run did not score, but then change their mind and decide that the run did count.

Thoughts?

 

Most likely, in the opinion of the umpires, the runner crossed the plate before the out was made.  (Hard for me to imagine that an umpire would think the run would score after the third out.)

[maven]

This is a time play. Run scores if R3 touches before the 3rd out. Umpire judgment.

[noumpere]

Bases loaded, 1 out.  Batter hits a low fly ball (not quite a pop-up, not a line-drive) to SS who makes the catch. 3rd base runner tags up, 2nd base runner is about 10 feet off 2B.  SS sees this and tosses ball to

2nd baseman.  Runner on third, upon seeing SS toss ball to 2ndl, makes a dash to home; runner at 2nd is called out (both base and runner are tagged by 2nd baseman).  A second or so later, the 3rd base runner crosses home plate.  Umps initially say the run did not score, but then change their mind and decide that the run did count.

Thoughts?

My thought is that the umpire(s) initially thought (incorrectly) that it was a "force out" at second -- that's why they initially disallowed the run.

 

Then the umpire(s) realized (correctly) that it's a time play -- and judged that the R3 had scored before the out.

 

It's quite possible that in the confusion over the ruling, that the umpire(s) forgot the relevant timing.