Batter interference?

[Sayhey]

Batter bunts ball into fair territory in front of plate

He takes one step toward 1st base and the ball bounces up and hits him in the chest in fair territory. The batter/runner had one foot out of the box and one foot in the batters box.

What'd ayah got?

[maven]

Foul ball.

[FlaUmp22]

Day game or night game?

[JaxRolo]

Foul

[Jocko]

Touchdown?

[blue23ll]

I have an ice cream sammich!!

[afaber12]

Touchdown?

I bet on multiple choice quizzes you always fill in the same circles without looking at the questions; you'll get done right eventually!

I'm not sure that theory will work to well with your current answer in this particular environment though.

Best of luck anyway! :)

[Jocko]

@afaber12 - Goal? :shrug:

[Rich Ives]

Batter bunts ball into fair territory in front of plate

He takes one step toward 1st base and the ball bounces up and hits him in the chest in fair territory. The batter/runner had one foot out of the box and one foot in the batters box.

What'd ayah got?

 

An out with the new rule (OBR)

 

6.03

The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

APPROVED RULING: The lines defining the box are within the batter’s box.

6.05 (g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

[maven]

I've not seen a pro umpire enforce this provision and get this out. Any video?

[Rich Ives]

I have. No video.

[maven]

Here's one from last September (2013):

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/v30918583

[Dash Riprock]

 

An out with the new rule (OBR)

 

6.03

The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

APPROVED RULING: The lines defining the box are within the batter’s box.

6.05 (g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

It would make much more sense if 6.05(g) referenced 6.06(a), which determines the batter's legal position in the box when he hits the ball, instead of 6.03, which determines his legal position at the TOP.  That's how it is effectively enforced anyway (except in the video ).

[Rich Ives]

 

 

An out with the new rule (OBR)

 

6.03

The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

APPROVED RULING: The lines defining the box are within the batter’s box.

6.05 (g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

It would make much more sense if 6.05(g) referenced 6.06(a), which determines the batter's legal position in the box when he hits the ball, instead of 6.03, which determines his legal position at the TOP.  That's how it is effectively enforced anyway (except in the video ).

 

 

I've seen it called more times than just that video. MLB quite intentionally added the wording to clarify when it's foul.  Like on purpose added it. Recently.  It gets called that way now at least in MLB.

[Dash Riprock]

 

 

 

An out with the new rule (OBR)

 

6.03

The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

APPROVED RULING: The lines defining the box are within the batter’s box.

6.05 (g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

It would make much more sense if 6.05(g) referenced 6.06(a), which determines the batter's legal position in the box when he hits the ball, instead of 6.03, which determines his legal position at the TOP.  That's how it is effectively enforced anyway (except in the video ).

 

 

I've seen it called more times than just that video. MLB quite intentionally added the wording to clarify when it's foul.  Like on purpose added it. Recently.  It gets called that way now at least in MLB.

 

Batter squares to bunt and one foot is partially over the line of the box (but not touching the plate).  He bunts the ball straight down on the plate and it bounces up and hits the bat a second time.  The batter does not move his feet after he squares.  Do they want an out on that one too?

[Jocko]

Completely different situation. There's a specific rule governing the ball contacting the bat a second time while the batter is still holding it.

[Dash Riprock]

Completely different situation. There's a specific rule governing the ball contacting the bat a second time while the batter is still holding it.

It's exactly the same.  See 6.05(h).

[Jocko]

Completely different situation. There's a specific rule governing the ball contacting the bat a second time while the batter is still holding it.

It's exactly the same.  See 6.05(h).read that as a run on. Good catch. I hate the sporting news version of OBR :hopmad:

[Sayhey]

Maven, Mike Milinski called it in Detroit this week on a drag bunt. I do not have the video. Tiger right handed batter attempted to drag bunt and the ball came up and hit his bat in fair territory. The batter was almost out of the box when he bunted the ball and was certainly out of the box with both feet when the ball came up and struck his bat. U.I .C. Did not hesitate. Out. My question was one foot in and one foot out of the box. Does having one foot in the box save you. 6.05 does not seem to offer safe Haven because you have one foot in the box. Jaska/Roder stresses the immediacy of the ball comming up and striking the bat or the batter.

If it is an immediate action it is a foul ball. It could be in foul or fair territory. I was the plate umpire and I had a foul ball. My field umpire stared at me and it was questionable that I was right.

At the bar over micro beers and bacon cheeseburgers he was out. I changed my mind and my partner was sure having one foot in the box does not save you. The ball was fair. He was struck by the ball and it did not happen immediately. What do you think.?

[noumpere]

The HS rule or case on this is clear -- if one foot is on the ground out of the box, it's an out.

 

I think it's case 8-4-1A or 8-4-1B (somewhere early in the "Batter-Runner is out" section)

 

I'd rule it the same in OBR.  With those references maybe someone can look in BRD.

[Dash Riprock]

The HS rule or case on this is clear -- if one foot is on the ground out of the box, it's an out.

 

I think it's case 8-4-1A or 8-4-1B (somewhere early in the "Batter-Runner is out" section)

 

I'd rule it the same in OBR.  With those references maybe someone can look in BRD.

FED considers the batter to be "in the box" if neither foot is on the ground entirely out of the box (not touching the line) when the batted ball hits him (or his bat).  OBR is very different - neither foot can be on (or over) the line.  FED is better.  (Did I just say that?)

[Thunderheads]

 

The HS rule or case on this is clear -- if one foot is on the ground out of the box, it's an out.

 

I think it's case 8-4-1A or 8-4-1B (somewhere early in the "Batter-Runner is out" section)

 

I'd rule it the same in OBR.  With those references maybe someone can look in BRD.

FED considers the batter to be "in the box" if neither foot is on the ground entirely out of the box (not touching the line) when the batted ball hits him (or his bat).  OBR is very different - neither foot can be on (or over) the line.  FED is better.  (Did I just say that?)

 

ok is it just me or did that read funny?

[Dash Riprock]

 

 

The HS rule or case on this is clear -- if one foot is on the ground out of the box, it's an out.

 

I think it's case 8-4-1A or 8-4-1B (somewhere early in the "Batter-Runner is out" section)

 

I'd rule it the same in OBR.  With those references maybe someone can look in BRD.

FED considers the batter to be "in the box" if neither foot is on the ground entirely out of the box (not touching the line) when the batted ball hits him (or his bat).  OBR is very different - neither foot can be on (or over) the line.  FED is better.  (Did I just say that?)

 

ok is it just me or did that read funny?

 

Let me try it another way.  In determining whether the batter is in the box when he (or his bat) is touched by a fair batted ball, FED uses the 'illegally batted ball' standard, OBR uses the 'batter's legal position in the box (at TOP)' standard.

 

To simplify:  in FED he is out only if at least one foot (or knee) is on the ground entirely out of the box when the ball hits him.  In OBR, he is out if either foot is partially (or completely) out of the box.

[Sayhey]

Thank you noumpere. We know if he strikes the ball with one foot out of the batter's box he is out, but what about bunting the ball legally and then the ball hits your bat a second time or your body as you make your way toward 1st base? Does it matter that you have one foot in the box and one foot out of the box? Does your reference cover both situations?

[Sayhey]

Noumpere, I missed the later part of your message when I responded. I just read the entire message. Sounds like I had an out with my scenario. Jaska/ Roder talks about an element of time. If a batter chops a ball and it hits them or comes up and hits them immediately it is a foul ball. Since part of the batter's box is in fair territory this could occur in fair territory.

This is a slightly different issue than the placement of the feet in relationship with the batter's box on a batted ball. I agree that it sounds odd to say Fed. Rule is better than M.L.B.

If I hear you right you are saying the M.L.B. Rule is stricter and only part of the foot has to be out of the box for the batter/runner to be out. The interference is really batter/runner interference and not batter interference.