Weirdest "Rule"

[Guest Juan]

What's the weirdest "rule" you ever had a coach tell you is a real rule that they obviously made up or heard when they were playing in their backyard but thinks is real?

[Rich Ives]

 

OK UMP45 - please point out where any of the following is incorrect.

 

 

A tie DOES go to the runner at first base and for force plays. The only possible umpiring issue is whether or not a tie is possible. Trying to redefine the meaning of “before†sometimes enters the discussion too.

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;

 

Same here:

 

7.08 Any runner is out when—

(e) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

 

So if it's a tie, he or the base was not tagged before he touched the base so he's safe.

 

As you can see, a tie DOES go to the runner BY RULPE!

 

People are so locked into their perception that the phrase is a myth that they can’t accept what is in black and white in the rule book.

FED and NCAA still have a semantic split on a force out and an out at 1B. All codes I believe require the runner to beat an appeal throw.

 

 

True that.

 

That said only HS and AAU use FED and only colleges use NCAA as far as I know. All the youth leagues including Legion  plus Mass HS uses OBR.

[Guest Guest]

 

And another ump*:  player is out for not sliding at the plate in LL, even if the ball is in the outfield (yup, saw a double play arise from that "rule" when both unchallenged runners failed to slide . . . )

As I'm sure you know, that's a local league add-on rule.  The applicable LL rule just requires that the runner slide or attempt to avoid contact.

 

7.08 - Any runner is out when -

(a)(3) the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag;

 

Our local LL has the (stupid, IMO) "must slide" rule.  7.08 (a)(3) should do the job just fine without them needing to meddle with it.

 

 

So what happens when a kid breaks his leg because the umpire said "I have to slide"? Who do the parents sue then?

[Guest Juan]

 

And another ump*:  player is out for not sliding at the plate in LL, even if the ball is in the outfield (yup, saw a double play arise from that "rule" when both unchallenged runners failed to slide . . . )

As I'm sure you know, that's a local league add-on rule.  The applicable LL rule just requires that the runner slide or attempt to avoid contact.

 

7.08 - Any runner is out when -

(a)(3) the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag;

 

Our local LL has the (stupid, IMO) "must slide" rule.  7.08 (a)(3) should do the job just fine without them needing to meddle with it.

 

 

So what happens when a kid breaks his leg because the umpire said "I have to slide"? Who do the parents sue then?

[Guest Juan]

Third baseman ran by the mound between innings and moved the ball from the grass to the dirt. Coach yells to me "He touched it. He has to pitch now." When I told him no, he replied, "So you don't play by the real rules here?"

[HokieUmp]

 

 

And another ump*:  player is out for not sliding at the plate in LL, even if the ball is in the outfield (yup, saw a double play arise from that "rule" when both unchallenged runners failed to slide . . . )

As I'm sure you know, that's a local league add-on rule.  The applicable LL rule just requires that the runner slide or attempt to avoid contact.

 

7.08 - Any runner is out when -

(a)(3) the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag;

 

Our local LL has the (stupid, IMO) "must slide" rule.  7.08 (a)(3) should do the job just fine without them needing to meddle with it.

 

 

So what happens when a kid breaks his leg because the umpire said "I have to slide"? Who do the parents sue then?

 

 

First of all, an umpire doesn't tell anyone to slide or not, just as we don't tell anyone to "pick that ground ball up and throw it to first."  What we DO do (heh heh, I said 'doodoo') is judge the play, based on the rules we're provided for that age/group.

 

In this case, since it's a league rule that says "must" slide, then sue the league.

 

Now, in reality, what the parents should do is stop being helicopter parents, take lawyers off their speed dial, and live their lives by the One True Gold Rule:

 

S#!+ Happens.^©

 

The kid broke his leg 'cause he doesn't know how to slide properly.  Or because maybe he hit the inevitable divots that are in the RH batters box.  Or maybe because it was just dumb, bad luck.  Whatevs.  People don't need to sue over every thing that happens.  That's why one carries insurance.

 

(Please note that I have copyrighted the One True Golden Rule, and in an ironic turn, will sue for its improper use.)

[UMP45]

OK UMP45 - please point out where any of the following is incorrect.

 

 

A tie DOES go to the runner at first base and for force plays. The only possible umpiring issue is whether or not a tie is possible. Trying to redefine the meaning of “before†sometimes enters the discussion too.

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;

 

Same here:

 

7.08 Any runner is out when—

(e) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

 

So if it's a tie, he or the base was not tagged before he touched the base so he's safe.

 

As you can see, a tie DOES go to the runner BY RULE!

 

People are so locked into their perception that the phrase is a myth that they can’t accept what is in black and white in the rule book.

I never said anything was incorrect. So you are a coach who knows the rules. Big whop! You know enough about the rules to be dangerous. We have rule book umpires. You are a rule book coach. The worst type.You've got everyone snowed. Not me. You are the type of coach that wants to manage the umpires and not his players. I forgot. You coach at levels where the umpires are less skilled then higher level umpires! So continue to tilt your windmills.

[Rich Ives]

 

OK UMP45 - please point out where any of the following is incorrect.

 

 

A tie DOES go to the runner at first base and for force plays. The only possible umpiring issue is whether or not a tie is possible. Trying to redefine the meaning of “before†sometimes enters the discussion too.

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;

 

Same here:

 

7.08 Any runner is out when—

(e) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

 

So if it's a tie, he or the base was not tagged before he touched the base so he's safe.

 

As you can see, a tie DOES go to the runner BY RULE!

 

People are so locked into their perception that the phrase is a myth that they can’t accept what is in black and white in the rule book.

I never said anything was incorrect. So you are a coach who knows the rules. Big whop! You know enough about the rules to be dangerous. We have rule book umpires. You are a rule book coach. The worst type.You've got everyone snowed. Not me. You are the type of coach that wants to manage the umpires and not his players. I forgot. You coach at levels where the umpires are less skilled then higher level umpires! So continue to tilt your windmills.

 

 

You admit I'm right then say I'm tilting at windmills?  What a wonderful thought process.

[sdix00]

I had a coach explain a right-handed pitcher's 'natural base' to me today, to explain why the rules that apply to a LHP at 1B are the same as a RHP to 3B, but not vice versa for either.

"Uh, whut?", said I.

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[TStokes97]

OK UMP45 - please point out where any of the following is incorrect.

A tie DOES go to the runner at first base and for force plays. The only possible umpiring issue is whether or not a tie is possible. Trying to redefine the meaning of “before†sometimes enters the discussion too.

6.05 A batter is out when—

(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;

Same here:

7.08 Any runner is out when—

(e) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

So if it's a tie, he or the base was not tagged before he touched the base so he's safe.

As you can see, a tie DOES go to the runner BY RULE!

People are so locked into their perception that the phrase is a myth that they can’t accept what is in black and white in the rule book.

I give tie to fielder as MLB rules which my league follows state the runner must BEAT a throw/tag to be safe, it does not say he must TIE the throw/tag

[BretMan]

Once had a coach argue that, for the purposes of an uncaught third strike, if the catcher's mitt touched the ground in any way it could not be ruled a catch.

That was bad. This is worse...

With first base occupied, pitcher still on the rubber, stepped toward first but did not throw over. Then he twisted his upper body around and threw to the plate.

Offensive coach claimed that since the pitcher committed two balks, his runner should be awarded two bases!

[mrumpiresir]

Jr Legion played under OBR.  Pinch hitter receives a base on balls and then offensive coach enters a legal sub from the bench to run for the previous sub.  Defensive coach comes out and says "You can't sub for a sub!! ??????  

[noumpere]

 

I give tie to fielder as MLB rules which my league follows state the runner must BEAT a throw/tag to be safe, it does not say he must TIE the throw/tag

 

You need to read the rules again.  OBR fixed (one of) the contradicitons.

[basejester]

As I'm sure you know, that's a local league add-on rule.  The applicable LL rule just requires that the runner slide or attempt to avoid contact.

 

7.08 - Any runner is out when -

(a)(3) the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag;

 

Our local LL has the (stupid, IMO) "must slide" rule.  7.08 (a)(3) should do the job just fine without them needing to meddle with it.

 

 

I agree.  Your league is screwed if there's a lawsuit.  Little League insurance covers the activity of playing under Little League rules, which this rule negates.  I guarantee you that Williamsport did not approve this change.  Your league is effectively uninsured.

[TStokes97]

I give tie to fielder as MLB rules which my league follows state the runner must BEAT a throw/tag to be safe, it does not say he must TIE the throw/tag

You need to read the rules again. OBR fixed (one of) the contradicitons. question answered by google

[scrounge]

I give tie to fielder as MLB rules which my league follows state the runner must BEAT a throw/tag to be safe, it does not say he must TIE the throw/tag

You need to read the rules again. OBR fixed (one of) the contradicitons.who is OBR?

The Office of Baseball Redundancy office

[noumpere]

 

 

I give tie to fielder as MLB rules which my league follows state the runner must BEAT a throw/tag to be safe, it does not say he must TIE the throw/tag

You need to read the rules again. OBR fixed (one of) the contradicitons. who is OBR?

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/official_rules.jsp

[TStokes97]

I give tie to fielder as MLB rules which my league follows state the runner must BEAT a throw/tag to be safe, it does not say he must TIE the throw/tag

You need to read the rules again. OBR fixed (one of) the contradicitons.who is OBR? The Office of Baseball Redundancy officeWhat do they do?

[Just-Call-It]

 

 

 

 

I give tie to fielder as MLB rules which my league follows state the runner must BEAT a throw/tag to be safe, it does not say he must TIE the throw/tag

You need to read the rules again. OBR fixed (one of) the contradicitons. who is OBR? The Office of Baseball Redundancy office What do they do?

 

 

 

When you call, they tell you the same thing... over and over.

[FleasOf1000Camels]

Playing on a field where there are several large trees that overhang the far corner of foul territory in left field.  The trunks of the trees are outside the field, and even the farthest reaching branches are 12-15 feet outside the foul line.

 

At pre-game conference, coach of home team tries to tell me that their local ground rule is that any ball that hits those trees is ground rule double.

[SoCal Lurker]

 

 

 

 

I give tie to fielder as MLB rules which my league follows state the runner must BEAT a throw/tag to be safe, it does not say he must TIE the throw/tag

You need to read the rules again. OBR fixed (one of) the contradicitons. who is OBR? The Office of Baseball Redundancy office What do they do?

 

 

They are messing with you . . . OBR = Official Baseball Rules.  A play at first and a force play used to  have different definitions of what had to beat wha -- which was changed a couple of years ago so that the same rule applies -- defense must beat the runner.  So linguistially and literally a tie would go to the runner . . . if there is such a thing as a a tie . . .

[FleasOf1000Camels]

You just can't beat "the hands are part of the bat".

[maxpower74]

If one perseves a "tie" it is actually and scientifically an out.  An umpire looks at the feet hitting the bag and listens for the ball hitting the glove.  Light tavels 299,792,458 m/s while sound travels 340 m/s.  So if our senses preseve the play as a tie the sound and the visual hit us at the same time.  That means the sound had to happen LONG before the visual happened in order for them both to reach the umpire at the same time.

[BigUmpire]

Tie goes to the umpire. OUT!

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[TStokes97]

Tie goes to the umpire. OUT!

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now that joke i get

[Umpire in Chief]

I had a situation OBR rules, R1. I forget the exact situation if the batter came to the plate as a righty or lefty. But R1 successfully steals second. Before the pitcher returns to the mound the batter switched to the other side. Coach comes out and says he cant do that. I tell him there is nothing wrong with it. We went back and forth until I tried to end the conversation, but rather than just going away he wanted to escalate things and earned an early trip home.