MLB to Change Collision rules?

[Pete Peterson Sr]

Platejob29:  I'm not talking about runs scored directly from collisions.  I'm saying now there will [likely] be consequences like ejections, suspensions and fines for colliding with a catcher at home plate.  3rd base coaches and runners may be more apprehensive about running home on a close play knowing the potential for the player to be ejected for contact with the catcher (judgement call by an umpire).  That's undeniable.

 

As far as your comment regarding strategy, execution and mental strength, I'd argue those are all in play when dealing with home plate collisions.  It's a risk for both players and teams involved.  

 

We disagree.  Plain and simple.  More than anything I think this is yet another example of the wussification of this country.  That's what is most disappointing to me.

 

Maven:  you're confusing me with someone who only wants to see shootouts.  I (like the vast majority of people) simply don't have the patience or attention span necessary to dedicate three to four hours watching games that feature a run or two.

 

This is rapidly becoming the most over-used, worthless term in the world. We aren't cavemen who hunt animals with flint-tipped spears. Things change. We evolve. That doesn't mean that there is some major conspiracy to turn all American males into p*ussies who wear skirts. And the biggest motivator behind this action is likely money. Cash. As in the stuff that MLB owners do not want to have to pay to players, as the NFL has had to do, because they (the owners) ignored data that likely could have helped prevent brain injuries to some players. I guess you think Dave Duerson was a wuss, too ? The man killed himself, likely because of the addled state of his brain, from repeated head blows. Think about he and Mike Webster before you go saying that we are "wussifying" this country. And while you're at it, look this up: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. Let me know if you'd like your son to develop this from a "sport".

[afaber12]

... More than anything I think this is yet another example of the wussification of this country.  That's what is most disappointing to me.

 

I agree. Who needs wusses. Not me that's for sure. While we're at it, let's get rid of all wussy-ness from the game, and then we can get to work on the rest of the world's wussy-ness.

 

• Batter's who wear helmets: wusses!
• Catcher's who wear catcher's gear: wusses!
• Sunglasses or sunscreen: wuss!
• Drinking water, let alone some sort of electrolyte-filled, sports science drink during the game: wuss!
• Wearing a box: wuss!
• Wearing a uniform that didn't come from the skin/hair/fur/feathers (wuss)/scales (definitely non-wuss) of an animal you killed with your bare hands, made by the woman you clubbed over the head and dragged to your cave: wuss!

And don't get me started on those umpires who wear a box, plate shoes, shin guards, chest protector, and either a mask or helmet with mask (extra wuss), huddled behind the catcher to protect them, just because they might get an owie from the ball breaking an arm, rib or skull. Total wuss-bags!

 

You're not a wuss-bag umpire like all the others are you @CentralOhioUmp30? I didn't think so!

 

By the way, just in case it was unclear from my previous writing, 

[ricka56]

Umpire masks are for pussies.

 

[BT_Blue]

Platejob29:  I'm not talking about runs scored directly from collisions.  I'm saying now there will [likely] be consequences like ejections, suspensions and fines for colliding with a catcher at home plate.  3rd base coaches and runners may be more apprehensive about running home on a close play knowing the potential for the player to be ejected for contact with the catcher (judgement call by an umpire).  That's undeniable.

 

As far as your comment regarding strategy, execution and mental strength, I'd argue those are all in play when dealing with home plate collisions.  It's a risk for both players and teams involved.  

 

We disagree.  Plain and simple.  More than anything I think this is yet another example of the wussification of this country.  That's what is most disappointing to me.

 

Maven:  you're confusing me with someone who only wants to see shootouts.  I (like the vast majority of people) simply don't have the patience or attention span necessary to dedicate three to four hours watching games that feature a run or two.

 

This is rapidly becoming the most over-used, worthless term in the world. We aren't cavemen who hunt animals with flint-tipped spears. Things change. We evolve. That doesn't mean that there is some major conspiracy to turn all American males into p*ussies who wear skirts. And the biggest motivator behind this action is likely money. Cash. As in the stuff that MLB owners do not want to have to pay to players, as the NFL has had to do, because they (the owners) ignored data that likely could have helped prevent brain injuries to some players. I guess you think Dave Duerson was a wuss, too ? The man killed himself, likely because of the addled state of his brain, from repeated head blows. Think about he and Mike Webster before you go saying that we are "wussifying" this country. And while you're at it, look this up: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. Let me know if you'd like your son to develop this from a "sport".

For you younger types, lets add some recent player names that suffered from CTE that killed themselves and sometimes killed others as well. Names like certain HOFer Junior Seau who shot himself. Or Ja'Von Belcher who shot his girlfriend at their home in KC, then drove to Arrowhead and proceeded to shoot himself in front of his team mates and colleagues.

[scrounge]

 

 

Platejob29:  I'm not talking about runs scored directly from collisions.  I'm saying now there will [likely] be consequences like ejections, suspensions and fines for colliding with a catcher at home plate.  3rd base coaches and runners may be more apprehensive about running home on a close play knowing the potential for the player to be ejected for contact with the catcher (judgement call by an umpire).  That's undeniable.

 

As far as your comment regarding strategy, execution and mental strength, I'd argue those are all in play when dealing with home plate collisions.  It's a risk for both players and teams involved.  

 

We disagree.  Plain and simple.  More than anything I think this is yet another example of the wussification of this country.  That's what is most disappointing to me.

 

Maven:  you're confusing me with someone who only wants to see shootouts.  I (like the vast majority of people) simply don't have the patience or attention span necessary to dedicate three to four hours watching games that feature a run or two.

 

This is rapidly becoming the most over-used, worthless term in the world. We aren't cavemen who hunt animals with flint-tipped spears. Things change. We evolve. That doesn't mean that there is some major conspiracy to turn all American males into p*ussies who wear skirts. And the biggest motivator behind this action is likely money. Cash. As in the stuff that MLB owners do not want to have to pay to players, as the NFL has had to do, because they (the owners) ignored data that likely could have helped prevent brain injuries to some players. I guess you think Dave Duerson was a wuss, too ? The man killed himself, likely because of the addled state of his brain, from repeated head blows. Think about he and Mike Webster before you go saying that we are "wussifying" this country. And while you're at it, look this up: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. Let me know if you'd like your son to develop this from a "sport".

For you younger types, lets add some recent player names that suffered from CTE that killed themselves and sometimes killed others as well. Names like certain HOFer Junior Seau who shot himself. Or Ja'Von Belcher who shot his girlfriend at their home in KC, then drove to Arrowhead and proceeded to shoot himself in front of his team mates and colleagues.

 

 

We don't even need to go to football after the news of Ryan Freel last week.

[Platejob29]

 

 

Platejob29:  I'm not talking about runs scored directly from collisions.  I'm saying now there will [likely] be consequences like ejections, suspensions and fines for colliding with a catcher at home plate.  3rd base coaches and runners may be more apprehensive about running home on a close play knowing the potential for the player to be ejected for contact with the catcher (judgement call by an umpire).  That's undeniable.

 

As far as your comment regarding strategy, execution and mental strength, I'd argue those are all in play when dealing with home plate collisions.  It's a risk for both players and teams involved.  

 

We disagree.  Plain and simple.  More than anything I think this is yet another example of the wussification of this country.  That's what is most disappointing to me.

 

Maven:  you're confusing me with someone who only wants to see shootouts.  I (like the vast majority of people) simply don't have the patience or attention span necessary to dedicate three to four hours watching games that feature a run or two.

 

This is rapidly becoming the most over-used, worthless term in the world. We aren't cavemen who hunt animals with flint-tipped spears. Things change. We evolve. That doesn't mean that there is some major conspiracy to turn all American males into p*ussies who wear skirts. And the biggest motivator behind this action is likely money. Cash. As in the stuff that MLB owners do not want to have to pay to players, as the NFL has had to do, because they (the owners) ignored data that likely could have helped prevent brain injuries to some players. I guess you think Dave Duerson was a wuss, too ? The man killed himself, likely because of the addled state of his brain, from repeated head blows. Think about he and Mike Webster before you go saying that we are "wussifying" this country. And while you're at it, look this up: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. Let me know if you'd like your son to develop this from a "sport".

For you younger types, lets add some recent player names that suffered from CTE that killed themselves and sometimes killed others as well. Names like certain HOFer Junior Seau who shot himself. Or Ja'Von Belcher who shot his girlfriend at their home in KC, then drove to Arrowhead and proceeded to shoot himself in front of his team mates and colleagues.

 

Whoa whoa whoa, don't paint all us young guys with one brush. I for one am very much for the collisions at the plate being removed from the game and am actually kind of baffled that a game as complex as baseball ever allowed something that barbaric into the game in the first place.

[BT_Blue]

Platejob29:  I'm not talking about runs scored directly from collisions.  I'm saying now there will [likely] be consequences like ejections, suspensions and fines for colliding with a catcher at home plate.  3rd base coaches and runners may be more apprehensive about running home on a close play knowing the potential for the player to be ejected for contact with the catcher (judgement call by an umpire).  That's undeniable.

 

As far as your comment regarding strategy, execution and mental strength, I'd argue those are all in play when dealing with home plate collisions.  It's a risk for both players and teams involved.  

 

We disagree.  Plain and simple.  More than anything I think this is yet another example of the wussification of this country.  That's what is most disappointing to me.

 

Maven:  you're confusing me with someone who only wants to see shootouts.  I (like the vast majority of people) simply don't have the patience or attention span necessary to dedicate three to four hours watching games that feature a run or two.

 

This is rapidly becoming the most over-used, worthless term in the world. We aren't cavemen who hunt animals with flint-tipped spears. Things change. We evolve. That doesn't mean that there is some major conspiracy to turn all American males into p*ussies who wear skirts. And the biggest motivator behind this action is likely money. Cash. As in the stuff that MLB owners do not want to have to pay to players, as the NFL has had to do, because they (the owners) ignored data that likely could have helped prevent brain injuries to some players. I guess you think Dave Duerson was a wuss, too ? The man killed himself, likely because of the addled state of his brain, from repeated head blows. Think about he and Mike Webster before you go saying that we are "wussifying" this country. And while you're at it, look this up: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. Let me know if you'd like your son to develop this from a "sport".

For you younger types, lets add some recent player names that suffered from CTE that killed themselves and sometimes killed others as well. Names like certain HOFer Junior Seau who shot himself. Or Ja'Von Belcher who shot his girlfriend at their home in KC, then drove to Arrowhead and proceeded to shoot himself in front of his team mates and colleagues.

Whoa whoa whoa, don't paint all us young guys with one brush. I for one am very much for the collisions at the plate being removed from the game and am actually kind of baffled that a game as complex as baseball ever allowed something that barbaric into the game in the first place.

I wasnt meaning you. I am actually backing your stance. Was just throwing some more current players than Pete mentioned.

I missed what happened to Ryan Freel...

[CentralOhioUmp30]

Good. Everyone disagrees with me, so now I can confirm with 100% certainty that I am right. 😃

[BT_Blue]

Good. Everyone disagrees with me, so now I can confirm with 100% certainty that I am right.

Nope... just 50% of the people disagreeing with you 100% of the time.

[Pete Peterson Sr]

Good. Everyone disagrees with me, so now I can confirm with 100% certainty that I am right.

 

 As Tim Wilson said "You've been married nine times, maybe it's you..."

[ricka56]

Good. Everyone disagrees with me, so now I can confirm with 100% certainty that I am right.

uhhhh...did you forget the sarcasm emoticon?

Many here don't recognize absurd statements for the facetiousness intended.

[Richvee]

 

 

 

 

Platejob29:  I'm not talking about runs scored directly from collisions.  I'm saying now there will [likely] be consequences like ejections, suspensions and fines for colliding with a catcher at home plate.  3rd base coaches and runners may be more apprehensive about running home on a close play knowing the potential for the player to be ejected for contact with the catcher (judgement call by an umpire).  That's undeniable.

 

As far as your comment regarding strategy, execution and mental strength, I'd argue those are all in play when dealing with home plate collisions.  It's a risk for both players and teams involved.  

 

We disagree.  Plain and simple.  More than anything I think this is yet another example of the wussification of this country.  That's what is most disappointing to me.

 

Maven:  you're confusing me with someone who only wants to see shootouts.  I (like the vast majority of people) simply don't have the patience or attention span necessary to dedicate three to four hours watching games that feature a run or two.

 

This is rapidly becoming the most over-used, worthless term in the world. We aren't cavemen who hunt animals with flint-tipped spears. Things change. We evolve. That doesn't mean that there is some major conspiracy to turn all American males into p*ussies who wear skirts. And the biggest motivator behind this action is likely money. Cash. As in the stuff that MLB owners do not want to have to pay to players, as the NFL has had to do, because they (the owners) ignored data that likely could have helped prevent brain injuries to some players. I guess you think Dave Duerson was a wuss, too ? The man killed himself, likely because of the addled state of his brain, from repeated head blows. Think about he and Mike Webster before you go saying that we are "wussifying" this country. And while you're at it, look this up: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. Let me know if you'd like your son to develop this from a "sport".

For you younger types, lets add some recent player names that suffered from CTE that killed themselves and sometimes killed others as well. Names like certain HOFer Junior Seau who shot himself. Or Ja'Von Belcher who shot his girlfriend at their home in KC, then drove to Arrowhead and proceeded to shoot himself in front of his team mates and colleagues. Whoa whoa whoa, don't paint all us young guys with one brush. I for one am very much for the collisions at the plate being removed from the game and am actually kind of baffled that a game as complex as baseball ever allowed something that barbaric into the game in the first place.

I wasnt meaning you. I am actually backing your stance. Was just throwing some more current players than Pete mentioned.

I missed what happened to Ryan Freel...

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24376239/report-ryan-freel-was-suffering-from-cte-at-time-of-death

[CentralOhioUmp30]

Maybe we can just have the players play in the suits astronauts wear. Then we could get exactly what everyone on this forum wants: fewer runs and no injuries.

In all seriousness, where does it end? Realistically, every batter and fielder is risking death or serious injury during every single pitch.

I don't really like the phrase "heading down a slippery-slope", but that's what this is in my opinion. I don't really have an issue with these collisions being banned, but eventually more changes will be made under the guise of player safety and it will slowly but surely ruin the game as we know it.

Soon enough you'll have people wanting to move the pitcher's mound back and force every player to wear a big helmet. Why not just eliminate stealing so that the catcher can wear some quality protective gear?

That stuff sounds crazy, but I'm sure banning home plate collisions sounded crazy 20 years ago too.

[Richvee]

Maybe we can just have the players play in the suits astronauts wear. Then we could get exactly what everyone on this forum wants: fewer runs and no injuries.

In all seriousness, where does it end? Realistically, every batter and fielder is risking death or serious injury during every single pitch.

I don't really like the phrase "heading down a slippery-slope", but that's what this is in my opinion. I don't really have an issue with these collisions being banned, but eventually more changes will be made under the guise of player safety and it will slowly but surely ruin the game as we know it.

Soon enough you'll have people wanting to move the pitcher's mound back and force every player to wear a big helmet. Why not just eliminate stealing so that the catcher can wear some quality protective gear?

That stuff sounds crazy, but I'm sure banning home plate collisions sounded crazy 20 years ago too.

They used to throw the ball at the runner to get an out.

They used to field with a glove akin to a mitten.

They used to catch without shin guards or chest protector.

They used to slide spikes high in the air into fielders.

They used to play without batting helmets. 

They used to slide into 2nd base, barrel roll or throw their legs out at the middle infielder

Outfield walls weren't padded. 

 

The game evolves. Yet it's virtually the same game they played 130 years ago. 

Banning collisions isn't "changing the game as we know it", nor did any of these other changes.

 

It's the beauty of baseball. 

[Pete Peterson Sr]

Maybe we can just have the players play in the suits astronauts wear. Then we could get exactly what everyone on this forum wants: fewer runs and no injuries.

In all seriousness, where does it end? Realistically, every batter and fielder is risking death or serious injury during every single pitch.

I don't really like the phrase "heading down a slippery-slope", but that's what this is in my opinion. I don't really have an issue with these collisions being banned, but eventually more changes will be made under the guise of player safety and it will slowly but surely ruin the game as we know it.

Soon enough you'll have people wanting to move the pitcher's mound back and force every player to wear a big helmet. Why not just eliminate stealing so that the catcher can wear some quality protective gear?

That stuff sounds crazy, but I'm sure banning home plate collisions sounded crazy 20 years ago too.

 

NFHS, and NCAA do not allow these types of collisions. Since they are front and center on ruining the game, I'm sure you don't work any of those, right ?

[JaxRolo]

 

Maybe we can just have the players play in the suits astronauts wear. Then we could get exactly what everyone on this forum wants: fewer runs and no injuries.

In all seriousness, where does it end? Realistically, every batter and fielder is risking death or serious injury during every single pitch.

I don't really like the phrase "heading down a slippery-slope", but that's what this is in my opinion. I don't really have an issue with these collisions being banned, but eventually more changes will be made under the guise of player safety and it will slowly but surely ruin the game as we know it.

Soon enough you'll have people wanting to move the pitcher's mound back and force every player to wear a big helmet. Why not just eliminate stealing so that the catcher can wear some quality protective gear?

That stuff sounds crazy, but I'm sure banning home plate collisions sounded crazy 20 years ago too.

They used to throw the ball at the runner to get an out.

They used to field with a glove akin to a mitten.

They used to catch without shin guards or chest protector.

They used to slide spikes high in the air into fielders.

They used to play without batting helmets. 

They used to slide into 2nd base, barrel roll or throw their legs out at the middle infielder

Outfield walls weren't padded. 

 

The game evolves. Yet it's virtually the same game they played 130 years ago. 

Banning collisions isn't "changing the game as we know it", nor did any of these other changes.

 

It's the beauty of baseball. 

 

Very well said!!!

[UMP45]

Central sounds more like a fan then an umpire.

[Platejob29]

One thing that was brought up to me personally that I found a little amusing was that the ejections from collisions would lead to a different outcome of the game, it would cause 3rd base coaches to be less aggressive sending runners, and that the umpires would have a tougher time facing more scrutiny having to make an ejection due to a collision. What I found amusing about it was that in high school ball they don't allow collisions and that is possibly some of the most aggressive base running many umpires will ever call and I don't think that I or anyone else has ever felt like there was more pressure due to fear of being scrutinized because of making an ejection due to a collision.

[BT_Blue]

One thing that was brought up to me personally that I found a little amusing was that the ejections from collisions would lead to a different outcome of the game, it would cause 3rd base coaches to be less aggressive sending runners, and that the umpires would have a tougher time facing more scrutiny having to make an ejection due to a collision. What I found amusing about it was that in high school ball they don't allow collisions and that is possibly some of the most aggressive base running many umpires will ever call and I don't think that I or anyone else has ever felt like there was more pressure due to fear of being scrutinized because of making an ejection due to a collision.

I would venture it would be the exact opposite. The most noise I have ever heard on a ballfield was during a "train wreck" at the plate that did not include an EJ. I challenge anyone to come up with a situation that inclides more yelling from fans and teams than this.

[umpstu]

 

One thing that was brought up to me personally that I found a little amusing was that the ejections from collisions would lead to a different outcome of the game, it would cause 3rd base coaches to be less aggressive sending runners, and that the umpires would have a tougher time facing more scrutiny having to make an ejection due to a collision. What I found amusing about it was that in high school ball they don't allow collisions and that is possibly some of the most aggressive base running many umpires will ever call and I don't think that I or anyone else has ever felt like there was more pressure due to fear of being scrutinized because of making an ejection due to a collision.

I would venture it would be the exact opposite. The most noise I have ever heard on a ballfield was during a "train wreck" at the plate that did not include an EJ. I challenge anyone to come up with a situation that inclides more yelling from fans and teams than this.

 

The famous, "Let em play" when you have to remove a player from the game.

[Platejob29]

 

 

One thing that was brought up to me personally that I found a little amusing was that the ejections from collisions would lead to a different outcome of the game, it would cause 3rd base coaches to be less aggressive sending runners, and that the umpires would have a tougher time facing more scrutiny having to make an ejection due to a collision. What I found amusing about it was that in high school ball they don't allow collisions and that is possibly some of the most aggressive base running many umpires will ever call and I don't think that I or anyone else has ever felt like there was more pressure due to fear of being scrutinized because of making an ejection due to a collision.

I would venture it would be the exact opposite. The most noise I have ever heard on a ballfield was during a "train wreck" at the plate that did not include an EJ. I challenge anyone to come up with a situation that inclides more yelling from fans and teams than this.

 

The famous, "Let em play" when you have to remove a player from the game.

 

That phrase just straight pisses me off haha. My Dad started officiating football this year to get a little break from the fall ball blues and he said coaches throw that phrase around more in the fist quarter than he had heard in his entire life. 

[CentralOhioUmp30]

 

One thing that was brought up to me personally that I found a little amusing was that the ejections from collisions would lead to a different outcome of the game, it would cause 3rd base coaches to be less aggressive sending runners, and that the umpires would have a tougher time facing more scrutiny having to make an ejection due to a collision. What I found amusing about it was that in high school ball they don't allow collisions and that is possibly some of the most aggressive base running many umpires will ever call and I don't think that I or anyone else has ever felt like there was more pressure due to fear of being scrutinized because of making an ejection due to a collision.

I would venture it would be the exact opposite. The most noise I have ever heard on a ballfield was during a "train wreck" at the plate that did not include an EJ. I challenge anyone to come up with a situation that inclides more yelling from fans and teams than this.

 

 

This is my point exactly.  

[Pete Peterson Sr]

 

One thing that was brought up to me personally that I found a little amusing was that the ejections from collisions would lead to a different outcome of the game, it would cause 3rd base coaches to be less aggressive sending runners, and that the umpires would have a tougher time facing more scrutiny having to make an ejection due to a collision. What I found amusing about it was that in high school ball they don't allow collisions and that is possibly some of the most aggressive base running many umpires will ever call and I don't think that I or anyone else has ever felt like there was more pressure due to fear of being scrutinized because of making an ejection due to a collision.

I would venture it would be the exact opposite. The most noise I have ever heard on a ballfield was during a "train wreck" at the plate that did not include an EJ. I challenge anyone to come up with a situation that inclides more yelling from fans and teams than this.

 

 

 A "not-balk", lol...Just because it looked goofy...

[mstaylor]

I have absolutely no problem banning the trucking of catchers. I hear guys say the runner is just at risk of injury as the catcher, he has gear on. He has gear on but not his mask or helmet, plus anybody that knows anything about concussions know that they happen by banging the brain against the skull. The runner is in motion so that is unlikely, the catcher is stationary and is suddenly moving, bang, brain slosh. Also, the runner is in control of how he falls, the catcher is getting hit while trying to catch the ball, he is totally unprotected which can lead to twisted or broken ankles and knees. I have felt this way for many years, twenty at least.