Ejection leads to forfeit

[jhcoach19]

In a recent American Legion tournament I had to eject their only coach. At the time I didn't know he was their only coach.

He said, "You're terrible."

I ejected him. It was a good ejection. Discovered after the ejection he was their only coach. Therefore, they had to forfeit the game. I have no remorse about the ejection. Would do it again if the rat acted the same way.

Just seeing what others would do in same situation.

[JHSump]

IMO, you had to eject, whether he was the only coach, or not.  You can't be expected to take that sort of thing into account.

 

He asked to be sent home.

 

I would have done the same thing.  As a matter of fact, I did eject a coach a few weeks ago for yelling out exactly the same thing.

[BRUMP]

if the coach is alone the onus of responsibility is on him not to get ejected, not on you to not eject him

[jhcoach19]

No regrets or remorse. Rats need to be felt with. I agree if you're the only coach you need to behave!

[JaxRolo]

No regrets or remorse. Rats need to be felt with. I agree if you're the only coach you need to behave!

Even if you're not the only coach you need to behave. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2

[afaber12]

In a recent American Legion tournament I had to eject their only coach. At the time I didn't know he was their only coach.

He said, "You're terrible."

I ejected him. It was a good ejection. Discovered after the ejection he was their only coach. Therefore, they had to forfeit the game. I have no remorse about the ejection. Would do it again if the rat acted the same way.

Just seeing what others would do in same situation.

 

My very first ejection about 8 months ago forced a forfeit. It was a player who steam rolled the catcher despite a local anti-collision rule, but before the ejection that team only had 9 players.

 

Afterwards I wondered if I'd done the right thing, both in terms of just general self-doubt the same I'd had when I first got behind the plate to call balls and strikes, but also in terms of punishing the team with a forfeit because of that player's actions. After thinking it through I told myself - and was backed up by some of the senior guys locally - that the number of players on the team isn't relevant to whether this guy should've been ejected or not. Likewise for the OP, if what the coach said or did warranted him being ejected, then he should be ejected, regardless of whether there are other coaches or not.

 

If things like this did matter, you can bet there'd be some coaches and players who'd do things that the rules require an ejection. They get to badger us about balls and strikes, use foul language to describe how bad we are at our jobs, intentionally throw at batters and other acts intended to injure opposition players, because their "unejectable". I might be nervous about pulling the trigger on an ejection, but the availability of substitutes isn't going to stop me.

[immaculate1976]

I had a game about a month ago where coach was acting stupid. I tell the 16 year old BU that I am about to dump the coach. He looks at me with this sad look and says "but he is the only coach they will have to forfeit." My jaw dropped and i said why does that matter? He says "that's not fair to the kids. " I shook my head walked back to the plate leaving him standing there. Four pitches later I dumped the coach for coming out of the dugout to argue a ball. The BU goes in the umpire room where the UIC and several umpires are and is trying to rat me out and the UIC points to me and says good job and points to him and says "life ain't fair grow up or go work somewhere else"

[Typhoon]

I had 2 like that a few years ago. U18 and the rather portly R2 tried to steal 3rd and was out by about 15 feet, as a matter of fact his slide stopped about 1 1/2 ft from 3rd. I called him out and he turned to me and said your'e a f$%#*&g A$$h&#e!! I dumped him, game forfeitted. I had no regrets or remorse. Second one occurred a couple of weeks later same team. Bottom of fifth inning score tied, R3. 3b coach asked pitcher to see the ball so he tosses it to him, coach lets ball roll by and sends runner home. Well then it hit the fan VT goes ape. 3rd baseman picks up ball and screams "is that legal?" I said it isn't ethical but I don't know of any rule against it. He then took the ball and threw it out of the park along with a string of profanity that was heard in the next county. I dumped him, again it results in a forfeit, but he had to go. Again no regrets

Tony

[BRUMP]

I had 2 like that a few years ago. U18 and the rather portly R2 tried to steal 3rd and was out by about 15 feet, as a matter of fact his slide stopped about 1 1/2 ft from 3rd. I called him out and he turned to me and said your'e a f$%#*&g A$$h&#e!! I dumped him, game forfeitted. I had no regrets or remorse. Second one occurred a couple of weeks later same team. Bottom of fifth inning score tied, R3. 3b coach asked pitcher to see the ball so he tosses it to him, coach lets ball roll by and sends runner home. Well then it hit the fan VT goes ape. 3rd baseman picks up ball and screams "is that legal?" I said it isn't ethical but I don't know of any rule against it. He then took the ball and threw it out of the park along with a string of profanity that was heard in the next county. I dumped him, again it results in a forfeit, but he had to go. Again no regrets

Tony

 

tony...im dumping the HC too on that...

[LMSANS]

 

I had 2 like that a few years ago. U18 and the rather portly R2 tried to steal 3rd and was out by about 15 feet, as a matter of fact his slide stopped about 1 1/2 ft from 3rd. I called him out and he turned to me and said your'e a f$%#*&g A$$h&#e!! I dumped him, game forfeitted. I had no regrets or remorse. Second one occurred a couple of weeks later same team. Bottom of fifth inning score tied, R3. 3b coach asked pitcher to see the ball so he tosses it to him, coach lets ball roll by and sends runner home. Well then it hit the fan VT goes ape. 3rd baseman picks up ball and screams "is that legal?" I said it isn't ethical but I don't know of any rule against it. He then took the ball and threw it out of the park along with a string of profanity that was heard in the next county. I dumped him, again it results in a forfeit, but he had to go. Again no regrets

Tony

 

tony...im dumping the HC too on that...but ill let the run score

 

Why?

[BRUMP]

I had 2 like that a few years ago. U18 and the rather portly R2 tried to steal 3rd and was out by about 15 feet, as a matter of fact his slide stopped about 1 1/2 ft from 3rd. I called him out and he turned to me and said your'e a f$%#*&g A$$h&#e!! I dumped him, game forfeitted. I had no regrets or remorse. Second one occurred a couple of weeks later same team. Bottom of fifth inning score tied, R3. 3b coach asked pitcher to see the ball so he tosses it to him, coach lets ball roll by and sends runner home. Well then it hit the fan VT goes ape. 3rd baseman picks up ball and screams "is that legal?" I said it isn't ethical but I don't know of any rule against it. He then took the ball and threw it out of the park along with a string of profanity that was heard in the next county. I dumped him, again it results in a forfeit, but he had to go. Again no regrets

Tony

tony...im dumping the HC too on that...but ill let the run score

Why? For a LL or FED game I'm dumping.

[Dragon29]

. . . 3rd baseman picks up ball and screams "is that legal?" I said it isn't ethical but I don't know of any rule against it. . .

It's not legal in LL; OBR doesn't have a specific proscription that I can find and I don't know about Fed.

 

LL Rule 4.05(4) - no penalty - don't do that.

 

OBR Rule 4.06 governs the behaviour of base coaches and Note 3 borders on this and sets what I would consider the 'tone' for their behaviour.

 

But, if I had been umpiring that game, I like to think I would have stopped F1 from responding entirely.  3B coach has no business asking for the ball.  'Time!  Coach, if there's a problem w/the ball, I'll handle it.  Play!'

[scrounge]

 

. . . 3rd baseman picks up ball and screams "is that legal?" I said it isn't ethical but I don't know of any rule against it. . .

It's not legal in LL; OBR doesn't have a specific proscription that I can find and I don't know about Fed.

 

LL Rule 4.05(4) - no penalty - don't do that.

 

OBR Rule 4.06 governs the behaviour of base coaches and Note 3 borders on this and sets what I would consider the 'tone' for their behaviour.

 

But, if I had been umpiring that game, I like to think I would have stopped F1 from responding entirely.  3B coach has no business asking for the ball.  'Time!  Coach, if there's a problem w/the ball, I'll handle it.  Play!'

 

 

 

It's explicitly outlawed in FED as verbal obstruction/interference (depending on who does the offending). I don't exactly recall, but I think the penalty is whatever the umpire sees fit to remedy the situation. In this case, I'm putting the runner back to original position AND warning the coach that if he pulls that unsportsmanlike stunt again, he's gone. Might even restrict/eject him off the bat.

[mstaylor]

I would dump him and let him explain to his AD why he got tossed. 

[Typhoon]

 

 

But, if I had been umpiring that game, I like to think I would have stopped F1 from responding entirely.  3B coach has no business asking for the ball.  'Time!  Coach, if there's a problem w/the ball, I'll handle it.  Play!'

 

 

When the coach asked for the ball I did not hear what he said or I would have done exacty that. I was not fond of this particular guy as we had some issues when we played against one another previously.

[BigUmpire]

Oldie BUT goody:

 

Umpires dont eject, Players and coaches get themselves ejected.

 

The real problem MAY be too many umpires, neubies or smittys, let too much go by and then when a "real" umpire has a game the coach has been trained to misbehave AND get by with it.

[BigUmpire]

I had 2 like that a few years ago. U18 and the rather portly R2 tried to steal 3rd and was out by about 15 feet, as a matter of fact his slide stopped about 1 1/2 ft from 3rd. I called him out and he turned to me and said your'e a f$%#*&g A$$h&#e!! I dumped him, game forfeitted. I had no regrets or remorse. Second one occurred a couple of weeks later same team. Bottom of fifth inning score tied, R3. 3b coach asked pitcher to see the ball so he tosses it to him, coach lets ball roll by and sends runner home. Well then it hit the fan VT goes ape. 3rd baseman picks up ball and screams "is that legal?" I said it isn't ethical but I don't know of any rule against it. He then took the ball and threw it out of the park along with a string of profanity that was heard in the next county. I dumped him, again it results in a forfeit, but he had to go. Again no regrets

Tony

• "3b coach asked pitcher to see the ball so he tosses it to him, coach lets ball roll by and sends runner home"
• “I don't know of any rule against it"
• "I'm putting the runner back to original position AND warning the coach that if he pulls that unsportsmanlike stunt again, he's gone.

 

ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME!

Next to MC this is a BIG CORKY NO-NO.

 

This is bad on lots of fronts and reasons.

This is NOT interference? WOW!

 

Eject, eject, eject!

Grow some guys!

[DVA7130]

So, they didn't have a bench player that could take over manager duty or is that OBR only?

[treydawgmt]

DVA - I'll bet they didn't any other coaches/managers/adults at all.  Very common in this area at the freshman level and younger house ball levels to have just 1 coach.  You dump him, no more game.  At the HS level, you can't find any old adult either, they must be employees of or sort of "sponsored" by the school.  (They have to have taken a special class and I think under the schools insurance).

[Platejob29]

I had 2 like that a few years ago. U18 and the rather portly R2 tried to steal 3rd and was out by about 15 feet, as a matter of fact his slide stopped about 1 1/2 ft from 3rd. I called him out and he turned to me and said your'e a f$%#*&g A$$h&#e!! I dumped him, game forfeitted. I had no regrets or remorse. Second one occurred a couple of weeks later same team. Bottom of fifth inning score tied, R3. 3b coach asked pitcher to see the ball so he tosses it to him, coach lets ball roll by and sends runner home. Well then it hit the fan VT goes ape. 3rd baseman picks up ball and screams "is that legal?" I said it isn't ethical but I don't know of any rule against it. He then took the ball and threw it out of the park along with a string of profanity that was heard in the next county. I dumped him, again it results in a forfeit, but he had to go. Again no regrets

Tony

We wen't over a case play in a high school chapter meeting for the exact same situation to the T except without the 3rd baseman throwing a fit. I can't remember what the exact rule number was but we came to the conclusion that because of verbal interference the runner would be put back at 3rd and the coach restricted to the dugout or ejected depending on the circumstance. That was under FED rules. 

[mstaylor]

No way in hell I am restricting a coach for such a stupid and unsporting act. If it was a player, maybe he stays. An adult using that fact to get a kid to throw him the ball so he can score a run is an auto eject. 

[Dannytheman]

A third base coach pulls that stunt, he is gone!!!  I'm putting R3 back on third, then I might even write a few extra e mails on that one. 

As to ejecting and being only adult there. Ohh well....  Bye.  Not my problem.

[mstaylor]

As I said earlier, toss him and let him explain to his AD what kind of a moron he is. We had a JV coach about ten years ago that got fired for pulling stupid stunts. 

[dumbdumb]

As I said earlier, toss him and let him explain to his AD what kind of a moron he is. We had a JV coach about ten years ago that got fired for pulling stupid stunts. 

Was he a coach hired outside the auspices of the school system, or was he a teacher who also happened to coach. Obviously no big deal if he is in an area where coaches are not necessarily tied to the school system. If he was with the school system, did he just loose his coaching job (probably an extra stipend for coaching) or did he also lose his teaching job to go along with losing his coaching job. Who wants a teacher on staff either who is basically teaching this sort of behavior to our children. Cripes for that matter who wants any adult, businessman or whatever teaching that??? Probably how they do things at their real job and also how they treat people. Probably just a great humanitarian to work for, not.

 

Just asking.

[mstaylor]

 

As I said earlier, toss him and let him explain to his AD what kind of a moron he is. We had a JV coach about ten years ago that got fired for pulling stupid stunts. 

Was he a coach hired outside the auspices of the school system, or was he a teacher who also happened to coach. Obviously no big deal if he is in an area where coaches are not necessarily tied to the school system. If he was with the school system, did he just loose his coaching job (probably an extra stipend for coaching) or did he also lose his teaching job to go along with losing his coaching job. Who wants a teacher on staff either who is basically teaching this sort of behavior to our children. Cripes for that matter who wants any adult, businessman or whatever teaching that??? Probably how they do things at their real job and also how they treat people. Probably just a great humanitarian to work for, not.

 

Just asking.

 

A good question, I don't know if he stayed at his regular job, or if he was a teacher. I just know he was gone from coaching quick.