R1 balk does batter get ball

[Guest HuskerDent]

13 U USSSA. first base coach of opponent convinces young ump batter should receive ball 4 on a balk call prior to the pitch. PU awards kid first base. We pitched to next batter before coach speaks to PU.

[semper_fi_72]

When a Balk is called, it is a no pitch.

No Strike or No Ball.

If the batter hits the pitch and reaches 1B safely and all runners advance one base safely the balk is ignored.

Otherwise enforce the Balk, advance all runners one base and batter resumes AB with same count prior to the Balk.

Any umpire in Southern California working USSSA 13U games would not be working if they got that wrong.

 

Do not understand how you could award a Ball with no pitch thrown.

Only in LL Majors and below can that be done, on an illegal pitch, so his background must be LL.

 

It also sounds like 2 umpires didn't know what to do, because the Base Umpire should not have let that happen if he knew what he was doing.

[KLAH316]

No. That is wrong.

[Mike Prince]

Doesn't sound right.

[Guest HuskerDent]

So since next batter was pitched to does it become unappealable?

[Richvee]

Need more info. Were the runners on base all forced to advance on ball 4? In that case the balk would be ignored. 

 

PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability
to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls,
a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which
case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.

[Guest HuskerDent]

Need more info. Were the runners on base all forced to advance on ball 4? In that case the balk would be ignored.

PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability

to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls,

a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which

case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.

No pitch was thrown. BU balked him prior to the pitch. R1 was advanced on the balk. 1st base coach spoke with PU asking for ball 4 and got it.

[MPLSMatt]

The umpire got it wrong, no ball.  You lose the right to protest the call (I'm assuming that's what you mean by appeal) once the next pitch is thrown according to USSSA rule 15. 

[Guest HuskerDent]

When a Balk is called, it is a no pitch.

No Strike or No Ball.

If the batter hits the pitch and reaches 1B safely and all runners advance one base safely the balk is ignored.

Otherwise enforce the Balk, advance all runners one base and batter resumes AB with same count prior to the Balk.

Any umpire in Southern California working USSSA 13U games would not be working if they got that wrong.

Do not understand how you could award a Ball with no pitch thrown.

Only in LL Majors and below can that be done, on an illegal pitch, so his background must be LL.

It also sounds like 2 umpires didn't know what to do, because the Base Umpire should not have let that happen if he knew what he was doing.

Thank you for your answer. Umpires were inexperienced were wearing shirts from local youth baseball league. First base coach told everyone that he was a college softball umpire and he was giving pointers to umps throughout game.

[VAUmp]

How can you have "ball" if there was no pitch?

[Aging_Arbiter]

How can you have "ball" if there was no pitch?

 

As Semper_Fi_72 stated, that can only be done in LL Majors & below.

[SoCal Lurker]

When a Balk is called, it is a no pitch.

No Strike or No Ball.

 

Further question:  if the ball drills the batter, is that still a nothing since it wasn't a pitch so can't be HBP? 

[maven]

 

When a Balk is called, it is a no pitch.

No Strike or No Ball.

 

Further question:  if the ball drills the batter, is that still a nothing since it wasn't a pitch so can't be HBP? 

 

 

semper_fi_72 meant to say that when a balk is enforced, it is no pitch.

 

For most OBR-based codes (and NCAA), if a balk is called and F1 immediately pitches, that pitch is live and might count. As already pointed out, if the batter and all runners reach their advance base, then the balk is ignored; otherwise, we return the batter with the same count and enforce the balk.

 

So, to your further question: R1, R2, F1 balks (no stop) and hits the batter with the pitch, what do we have? HBP sends the batter to 1B, and that award forces each runner to his advance base. Ignore the balk.

[semper_fi_72]

 

When a Balk is called, it is a no pitch.

No Strike or No Ball.

 

Further question:  if the ball drills the batter, is that still a nothing since it wasn't a pitch so can't be HBP? 

 

Batter reaches first base on HBP.

Any runners not forced one base as a result of the HBP are advanced one base.

 

Of course throw in the Fed Balk rules and it is totally different because those are immediate Dead Ball.

[noumpere]

 

 

When a Balk is called, it is a no pitch.

No Strike or No Ball.

 

Further question:  if the ball drills the batter, is that still a nothing since it wasn't a pitch so can't be HBP? 

 

Batter reaches first base on HBP.

Any runners not forced one base as a result of the HBP are advanced one base.

 

Of course throw in the Fed Balk rules and it is totally different because those are immediate Dead Ball.

 

I don't think that's quite true.

 

If for example there was only R2 and then balk-HBP, wed send R2 to third but would not give the batter first.

 

now if it was R1, R2 and then balk-HBP, wed give the batter first and advance all the runners (ignoring the balk) as someone up above recently posted.

[maven]

 

Batter reaches first base on HBP.

Any runners not forced one base as a result of the HBP are advanced one base.

I don't think that's quite true.

 

If for example there was only R2 and then balk-HBP, wed send R2 to third but would not give the batter first.

 

Right, and the reasoning is the same: once F1 balks (and it's called) the ONLY 2 options are ignore or enforce the balk.

 

Ignore: ONLY when the batter AND all runners safely acquire their advance bases.

 

Enforce: ALL other cases.

 

So, with R2 only, that runner cannot advance on a HBP (even if stealing), since the ball is dead on the HBP. He will not reach his advance base. Thus, we would enforce the balk.

 

When you enforce the balk, it's no pitch, which means no HBP. The batter returns to the plate with the previous count.