Ending to the Brewers-Padres Game

[hbk314]

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=26573579&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_26573579&v=3

 

 

Opinions?

[mstaylor]

Absolutely the correct call. 

[hbk314]

Because one foot out and one foot in is considered out of the box, correct?

[carolinablue]

Is he calling ball hit him in fair territory or is it because he intentionally contacted the ball to try to draw a foul call? That's what it looks like he done to me.

[hbk314]

Is he calling ball hit him in fair territory or is it because he intentionally contacted the ball to try to draw a foul call? That's what it looks like he done to me.

It looked to me like he was pointed at where his foot was on the ground outside the box when the ball touched him.

 

The following supports that call:

 

 

 

6.03

The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

APPROVED RULING: The lines defining the box are within the batter’s box.

 

 

6.05

A batter is out when —

….

(g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position

in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no

intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter

or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball

[carolinablue]

Yeah I think your right but I do think he tried to pull a fast one to get a foul ball.

[Thunderheads]

Absolutely the correct call. 

Please explain .....

 

As the frozen frame shows in the OP, that's a foul ball.....

 

Doesn't the rule say one or both feet completely out of the box (on the ground)?

[maven]

Doesn't the rule say one or both feet completely out of the box (on the ground)?

The rule is quoted above (6.05). It's a foul ball only if the batter is in legal position when the batted ball hits him, defined as both feet on the ground inside the batter's box.

PU ruled that he had "left" the box, that is, that he no longer had a legal position in the box. Contacting a fair ball in that case is INT, the BR is out, and if it hadn't ended the inning/game, other runners would have had to return.

I don't see intent to interfere here. JMHO.

[Thunderheads]

OK, OK, forget it ........ I'm twisting ruling with something else in (6) .... I'm good .......

 

He's out, he's out, he's still out

[noumpere]

I'm not sure I agree with the call because it looks to me like the ball hits the batter before the batters foot hits the ground out of the box.  If Im mis-seeing it and the foot hits the ground out of the box first then its the right call.

[Umpire in Chief]

Tough call. In real time I don't know if I could get that.

 

On review it appears to me the ball contacts him as he is directly in front of the plate.

[grayhawk]

I'm not sure I agree with the call because it looks to me like the ball hits the batter before the batters foot hits the ground out of the box.  If Im mis-seeing it and the foot hits the ground out of the box first then its the right call.

 

I saw it this way as well.  It's very close, but his foot is not down when he makes contact with the ball.

[BigUmpire]

This ends the game for the umpires?

 

Have you guys had the Fish Tacos in SD?

 

I would find me an out for those!

[maven]

I'm not sure I agree with the call because it looks to me like the ball hits the batter before the batters foot hits the ground out of the box.  If Im mis-seeing it and the foot hits the ground out of the box first then its the right call.

 

Is that having a foot down outside the box necessary for a batter NOT to be in legal position according to 6.03?

[Thunderheads]

 

I'm not sure I agree with the call because it looks to me like the ball hits the batter before the batters foot hits the ground out of the box.  If Im mis-seeing it and the foot hits the ground out of the box first then its the right call.

 

Is that having a foot down outside the box necessary for a batter NOT to be in legal position according to 6.03?

 

It's funny this is coming up because this is what Trakes2 and I were talking about this morning, and where I was getting confused.  I was applying wording from another section of (6) that references having one or both feet out of the box on the ground when the batter HITS a ball .........this is different

 

6.06 A batter is out for illegal action when—

(a) He hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter’s box.

[mstaylor]

Live he is out all day. In slo-mo his foot was slightly off the ground. Good call.

[Fittske24]

You guys are confusing this with 6.06(a)

 

A batter is out for illegal action when-

(a) he hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batters box.

 

This rule does not apply here as the batter was in the box when he contacted the ball. The batter was out of the box (Outside of the lines of the box as described in 6.03) when he made contact with the fair batted ball.

[Thunderheads]

You guys are confusing this with 6.06(a)

 

A batter is out for illegal action when-

(a) he hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batters box.

 

This rule does not apply here as the batter was in the box when he contacted the ball. The batter was out of the box (Outside of the lines of the box as described in 6.03) when he made contact with the fair batted ball.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS is what I was doing, and what I was trying to say 2 posts above ..........

[GreyhoundAggie]

In FED, he must be completely out of the box correct? If he has one foot in and one foot out and the ball contacts him, it is just foul.

[UmpJM]

Greyhound,

 

Fed Case Play 8.4.1B suggests one foot out is sufficient to deem the BR "out of the box" and liable to an interference call.

 

I believe there is a similar official interp for OBR, but I'm having some difficulty finding it.

 

JM

[noumpere]

Greyhound,

 

Fed Case Play 8.4.1B suggests one foot out is sufficient to deem the BR "out of the box" and liable to an interference call.

 

I believe there is a similar official interp for OBR, but I'm having some difficulty finding it.

 

JM

That's what I believe too but I don't have the resources here some of you do.  Maybe I learnt something. That makes it a good day. lol.

[GreyhoundAggie]

Thanks JM.

 

 

Reading it is does reference "both feet in the box" so that could imply if one is out of the box, then it is bad.

 

But something sticks in my craw that if his foot is on the ground in the batter box, he is still "in the box".

 

I'll have to do some more digging in my book.

[maven]

Thanks JM.

 

 

Reading it is does reference "both feet in the box" so that could imply if one is out of the box, then it is bad.

 

But something sticks in my craw that if his foot is on the ground in the batter box, he is still "in the box".

 

I'll have to do some more digging in my book.

 

As the discussion has unearthed, the undefined concept of "in the box" is ambiguous.

 

For "illegally batting the ball by being outside the box," you're "in the box" if you have something in and nothing out.

 

For "illegally being contacted by a batted ball," you're "in the box" only if you have you have both feet on the ground in the box. This is called the batter's "legal position."

[Thunderheads]

 

Thanks JM.

 

 

Reading it is does reference "both feet in the box" so that could imply if one is out of the box, then it is bad.

 

But something sticks in my craw that if his foot is on the ground in the batter box, he is still "in the box".

 

I'll have to do some more digging in my book.

 

As the discussion has unearthed, the undefined concept of "in the box" is ambiguous.

 

For "illegally batting the ball by being outside the box," you're "in the box" if you have something in and nothing out.

 

For "illegally being contacted by a batted ball," you're "in the box" only if you have you have both feet on the ground in the box. This is called the batter's "legal position."

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^ THERE IT IS!

[Fittske24]

 

For "illegally being contacted by a batted ball," you're "in the box" only if you have you have both feet on the ground in the box. This is called the batter's "legal position."

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They don't have to be on the ground, Both feet only have to be within the batters box.