Home run that doesn't score.

[tldavis19]

Situation: Home team down 7-6 Bottom 7 w/ 2 outs. R1 only. Batter destroys one over the left field fence for a HR. As R1 rounds second, he misses the bag. After the runners are done and before all the infielders have crossed the foul line (had to include that). The DC appeals that R1 missed second. Since he's correct R1 is called out.

 

My question is this: Since the appeal was on a base that was a force out for out #3, am I correct when I say that the HR is nullified and the game's over? VT wins 7-6?

[UmpJM]

Yes.

 

JM

[BT_Blue]

You are correct. If the appeal happened on R1 at third then two runs would score.

[tldavis19]

Love it when I read and understand something 

[Richvee]

You are correct. If the appeal happened on R1 at third then two runs would score.

1 run. It was R1 only

[tldavis19]

You are correct. If the appeal happened on R1 at third then two runs would score.

1 run. It was R1 only

Extra Innings in that case

[BT_Blue]

My bad. For some reason I read it as bases loaded. So, even though the preferring runner was called out on appeal the BR's run would score?

[tldavis19]

I don't think so since the timing would have been before the BR crossed the plate. Had the situation been reversed with R1 scoring and BR missing 2nd then it would be 1 run and extra innings.

[Richvee]

no! no! ...my bad...no runs. It's getting late, I'm not thinking. 

[amarillo]

The way I read that rule is that if it the first base a runner has to advance to and the Appeal is the third out then no runs score regardless of where other runners start. Citing 8-2-6 k of the federales

[Richvee]

This sums it all up. All codes...

 

7.12 Unless two are out, the status of a following runner is not affected by a preceding
runner’s failure to touch or retouch a base. If, upon appeal, the preceding runner is the third
out, no runners following him shall score.

 

So R1 2 outs, B5 homers, R1 misses 3rd, (or home for that matter) proper appeal is made, no runs score. 

[tldavis19]

my understanding is that anytime out #3 is a force out NO run can score. There's no timing to be had on a force play. So if R1 doesn't have a brain fart and BR does and misses first, then no runs score in that case either.

[Richvee]

I don't think so since the timing would have been before the BR crossed the plate. Had the situation been reversed with R1 scoring and BR missing 2nd then it would be 1 run and extra innings.

correct

[Richvee]

my understanding is that anytime out #3 is a force out NO run can score. There's no timing to be had on a force play. So if R1 doesn't have a brain fart and BR does and misses first, then no runs score in that case either.

correct

[tldavis19]

Thanks Richvee, I like to make sure I'm comprehending what I'm reading properly

[Richvee]

I don't think so since the timing would have been before the BR crossed the plate. Had the situation been reversed with R1 scoring and BR missing 2nd then it would be 1 run and extra innings.

correct

Just to be clear here, it doesn't have to do with the timing of R1 crossing the plate. It's all about FOLLOWING runners can't score if a PRECEDING runner is called out on appeal for the 3rd out. 

[Jocko]

If the runner isn't forced at the time he missed, it's a time play. Say R3 and homer. R3 misses the plate BR scores. Appeal R3. Out. BR still scores even though he was a following runner because he wasn't forced.

[Richvee]

The way I read that rule is that if it the first base a runner has to advance to and the Appeal is the third out then no runs score regardless of where other runners start. Citing 8-2-6 k of the federales

Not true. the first base a runner is advancing to doesn't play into it unless it's a force.  Let's say R2, R3, 2 out. B5 homers, R2 misses 3rd. R3's run would count, R2 on appeal, is the 3rd out and B5's run does not count (following runner). Score one run, inning over. 

[Richvee]

If the runner isn't forced at the time he missed, it's a time play. Say R3 and homer. R3 misses the plate BR scores. Appeal R3. Out. BR still scores even though he was a following runner because he wasn't forced.

Not if the appeal of R3 is the 3rd out. 

[UmpJM]

Jocko,

 

If the runner isn't forced at the time he missed, it's a time play. Say R3 and homer. R3 misses the plate BR scores. Appeal R3. Out. BR still scores even though he was a following runner because he wasn't forced.

 

Nope. As Richvee has said, if a preceding runner is called out on appeal for a base running infraction (miss or failure to retouch on a catch) for the third out of the half inning, no following runner may score.

 

FED 9-1-1 Exception c

 

Same in all codes.

 

JM

[EMump]

3rd out non-force appeals

 

Two things to remember:  #1 the appeal is a time play, any runner who has not crossed home plate prior to the appeal can't score #2 the runner who is out on appeal becomes a gate no runners behind him can score. 

 

No runs can score when the third out is an appeal at a base the runner is forced to advance.

[Wiggledoc]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110304&content_id=16817158&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

My neighbor's son. How would you like to be the losing coach that made that appeal in a 38-0 game?