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Umpire in Chief

Umpire in Chief

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Now we did very well on this topic before without getting nasty with each other so lets keep it up...

I got this PM from a member and wanted to share both his comment and my response:

UIC- I read the other posts on the FYC and found it very interesting but I do have a question. Say you have a bang bang play and can legitimately go either way but one team or player or coach has been a complete ass to you the who game and you let this enter your decision on the would this be considered a FYC?

First, I must say I am a former advocate of the FYC, so depending on which posts you read and when they were posted of mine you may have seen different things. In the situation you described I would not technically call it an FYC. The primary reason is that IMO to be a true FYC everybody involved must have a baseball awareness of what is happening, but I believe that level of awareness with players and coaches is quickly disappearing. Unless you were to do something crazy like say, "That's what you get for being an ass!" after making your call I don't see where the players or coach know what you are doing. In their mind you only just blew another call.

But while this is not what I technically call a FYC, I would still consider it a bad practice. We've all been there on that banger which is so incredibly close it all comes down to a judgement call on our part and we may not even be 100% confident in what we are calling, but we need to make our decision based on the play as presented to us. Can/do other factors come into play, yes. Was it an extraordinarily good play by one team or was it a botched play a team instantly comes to mind.

Most of the time when I have a banger like this at the moment of the play and the time of the call (even if I had absolutely perfect timing) I don't think I would be aware of which team is which or who the specific players are which would allow me to even have this enter my mind. But I must say after making such a call I've lightheartedly said to myself or to my partner later 'If I knew the call was going to be for them I would have called it the other way.'

This is a very interesting question though and I'd like to share it on the board if you don't mind. I will even leave your name out of it. I'd like to see what others have to say. Please let me know.

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JaxRolo

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There are times when I have said to myself after arguing with a coach: "They are not getting the next close call" But then when a banger happens I get involved in the call and forget all about what I was going to do and just make a call.

kylejt

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I think my training and experience override emotion on bangers. Balls and strikes are a different story, though. If a pitcher is showing me up, and I've got a borderline pitch, yeah, that's not going his way. Same with a batter.

As for a coach, I really don't think I can change my decision on call because of any antics of his. At least I hope I wouldn't.

Umpire in Chief

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I think on a banger on the bases it would be hard to have any favoritism even if you tried.

Calling pitches there is the opportunity and yes I think it does happen when somebody is being a pain, even if subconsciously. Most umpires I've met have many dominate type A characteristics. Chirping, complaining and essentially challenging the umpires dominance will trigger this negative reaction. That borderline pitch will instinctively be balled without giving it much thought. It's that pitch +/-a ball out where passive aggressive or oppositional defiance could come into play and umpires need to remain in control.

But an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. This would be a perfect situation to practice the Ignore - Acknowledge - Warn - Eject technique and manage the offending behavior rather than the indirect factors.

mstaylor

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A FYC is on balls and strikes only. Bangers on the bases are to called straight up. There is a Youtube video of a pro umpire admitting he called an out that wasn't. He lost his job.

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I think my training and experience override emotion on bangers. Balls and strikes are a different story, though. If a pitcher is showing me up, and I've got a borderline pitch, yeah, that's not going his way. Same with a batter.

As for a coach, I really don't think I can change my decision on call because of any antics of his. At least I hope I wouldn't.

I think on a banger on the bases it would be hard to have any favoritism even if you tried.

Calling pitches there is the opportunity and yes I think it does happen when somebody is being a pain, even if subconsciously.

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I have a specific list of things that go through my head when calling a banger on the bases. It's always the same list, and it takes me a full second to see and register everything that happened before I announce a decision. Looking at the color of the jersey is not one of those things on my list. If I tried to add it, it would screw up my timing. There is no way I could sell an FYC on the bases because it would be obvious.

Childress digs deep in to the FYC in his BUE. He agrees with others on here and further indicates that the FYC is limited to pitches.

I am still a young pup, and I have too many things to work on each game. I don't have the available RAM to hold the FYC mechanic and do it right.

AJtheUMP

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A FYC is on balls and strikes only. Bangers on the bases are to called straight up. There is a Youtube video of a pro umpire admitting he called an out that wasn't. He lost his job.

I love in the video how the PU walks up, hears a few words.. then turns and gets the f*@k outta there!

Mr Umpire

Mr Umpire

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A FYC is on balls and strikes only. Bangers on the bases are to called straight up. There is a Youtube video of a pro umpire admitting he called an out that wasn't. He lost his job.

I love in the video how the PU walks up, hears a few words.. then turns and gets the f*@k outta there!

Actually, he was escorting the 1B coach. That is his only responsibility until the coach is ejected. The other umpires should ensure the meetings are always one on one.
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