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Do you think they were trying to hit him (as opposed to simply pitching him inside)?

The last two were good enough pitches to swing at

I assume (hope) that will include when, without the explicit point, the ball is back in play.

Some context: double bag wasn't discussed much last time I went to LL Regional school. The mantra I always hear from people I talk to is the "the orange base disappears after the initial play". LL RIM somewhat supports that: (c) Whenever a play is being made on the batter-runner, the batter-runner must use the colored (orange or green) section on their first attempt to tag first base. NOTE: On extra-base hits or other balls hit to the outfield when there is no chance for a play to be made at the double first base, the batter-runner may touch either the white or colored (orange or green) section of the base. Should the batter-runner reach and go beyond first base, he/ she may only return to the white section of the base." I think TPTB don't want OP as an out and I believe that's why you clearly see it applied differently in the second video I posted. I don't know how much it was discussed with Softball regionals but I'm guessing it was discussed with baseball regionals and have high confidence it was discussed with Williamsport umpires. Further, baseball regionals have a higher bar to get assigned (imo simply because they get much more attention).

Current LL RIM for reference. I expect (hope) with the next RIM we'll get more around the double-bag.

Personally, I have OBS on F3 here. She wasn't letting BR get back to the white bag. I certainly don't have an out. I discussed this with someone that did a Softball JR WS and does HS softball locally, he had the same. For baseball, you didn't see an out during regions (which newly had the double first base) and none during the WS so far (that I'm aware of, been off line the last few days but I assume you'd have used that example if it had happened). Baseball 12s regions and WS having a higher bar for selecting umpires (how it's set is debatable but it's different than other divisions/levels) and you generally see more experience in judgment. My understanding is that baseball Region & WS umps mentality is to consciously give leeway to the offense with the double bag. Some interesting baseball double bag moments from Regions below. UECoachAssistDoubleBag.mov UEdoublebagOBStag.mov UEcoach1B.mov

Thanks. Good one to add to my catalog when I get home from traveling. Building a portfolio to ask TPTB. Two things that will make this one not OBS called in LL: 1) simple: U2 didn't see it. Will need to see the whole sequence for why he was there but I suspect it's related to the more recent 4 man guidance to more often "stay outside" on plays we used to get in on. 2) Runner was safe, didn't affect the play, and wasn't "egregious". Similar to how some? (most?) NFHS folks call it to avoid giving offense a [insert your adjective here, often "cheap"] base.

This is the rationale MLB uses at HP Collision (and what I see F2s have adapted to as noted above).

I hope they've gotten rid of that insanity by now. Not clear that it has. While there have been no F2 violations this year (I just watched every Replay for the Collision Rule, about 24 occurrences), and, while no F2 was found in violation, almost every F2 setup and action (setup inside HP/3B line and doing swipes vs hockey goalie slide) would have been fine even during the peak of OBS mania. Only a handful of plays were debatable imo even throws from a drawn in fielder where the rules give F2 much more latitude they are mostly inside and swiping.

Opening day game from yesterday LLWS OBS NV v IL.mov

Possibly. It is on the edge of what's getting called OBS as recently as 2022 (when I quit tracking it closely). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPH5ar_ozoE

How do we think about a position taken before having the ball* that gives the fielder an advantage once they've caught the ball? I'm thinking about F2 setup at HP as the MLB example. * Remember: LL, like HS, has no "in the act of fielding a throw provision"

Nope, you got it. Appreciate the help working it through: The outcome of the conference was that he legally disengaged, which U3 didn't have on the initial call. But, since he legally disengaged for an illegitimate pickoff attempt, it's a pitch clock violation.

I ask because they didn't enforce the balk. They enforced the disengagement and added a ball to the count. I can only deduce that was because they declared play dead with the disengagement for a non legitimate pickoff attempt. If not that, then why didn't they enforce the balk?

Yes, and since U4 initially had a balk, you know he judged that it wasn't legitimate. The only thing he missed was the disengagement. And the ball is dead on the disengagement so the balk "never happened"?

Or was it Abandonment? Has echoes of POE about overrunning a base to beat a force.

HA! I just referenced you to you 🤣 (I had already seen the play so didn't watch your linked video but then remembered someone had done a nice summary so went back to that... which was you)

Machado also tagged R3 while R3 was touching 3B 🙄

Very interesting! Nice observation! This might have been a crew error! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDDWgPLxFCg

Yeah, it's possible U3 does softball too I suppose. Though (1), LL greenbook doesn't distinguish OBS between baseball and softball, i.e. LL doesn't have that the above in their rule. Though (2), until you get to postseason, the little softball games I have done are usually under USA rules (I think I have that right) and not LL rules.

"I wanted to be on TV but I didn't want to be ON TV (or social media the rest of my life)"?

Youtube link in case that video is being wonky for anyone else (it is for me) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPN2Xs02qAc