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🚨 Pedantic alert because I find it fascinating 🚨 Ordinary effort for the defenders reacting to that batted ball on that play at that moment? Or ordinary effort for the average fielder on a ball batted like that with that days weather? Extreme example, popup that an average (or below average) F4 would get easily - say mile high ball, 10 feet to their right. F4 is pissy and makes no effort, just watches it bounce. Calling IFF?

You're arguing with a toaster. Don't feed the robotic troll.

A popup in that location, depending on height would be ordinary effort for MLB F3s. So do we think it doesn't get called because of misapplication of the rules/interps or calling it and a ball dropping without a fielder settled under it avoided due to the associated angst?

So IFF is callable once it's clear these infielders are able to catch this ball with ordinary effort?

No, they did not. This is an undeclared windup from a sideways position. Vai via clanker

Ask and ye shall receive

As comes up often, if / since there is ambiguity of the rule, look to the purpose of the rule. Defenses wanting IFF called always makes me laugh.

You've hit on the two schools of thought I've heard on calling IFF. They are to call it: A) at the time the ball is hit in a location that the given level of play should catch with ordinary effort (sub-schism on whether that is to consider pre-pitch player positioning or not) or, B) Once it's clear these infielders are able to catch this ball with ordinary effort.

I posted the applicable snippet in OP (lmk if it won't play for you). It's from 11:12 timestamp of the YouTube clip.

from older thread https://umpire-empire.com/topic/77135-infield-flyafter-the-fact/ TLDR: OBR per MiLBUM - Yes "the umpires should consult and correct the situation" NCAA - Not explicitly but an uofficial interp says follow OBR NFHS - Yes (though the cited case plays could benefit from the crisp OBR language imo) LL - Yes "Make the belated call and get the situation corrected."

A @MadMax commission (since he has time to keep up on all these games ) Great video from yesterday's glorious elimination of the Yankees TOR-NYY game. R1, 1 out, F3-F6 putout with R1 staying up. How do we think about this across rulesets? NCAA - FPSR violation? If so, why? NFHS - Interps have tried but failed to clear this up I believe? OBR - No called here. Any past OBR contrary examples? LL - Legal. R1 only out if overtly interfering such as waving their arms like the 10 yr old kid that they are. [No sound for your benefit (and I'm on a different machine) but darn you Max for making me listen to Dave Sims. As a Mariner fans that's just cruel.] Click the video below to see the play. If you want the full source it's 11:12 of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUhuZA7OhzM TOR-NYY - R1 into 2B Standing Up - 2025-10-08.mov

Bueller, Bueller?

In fact, both feet are perpendicular to the rubber as he begins his windup. Thanks for the correction. That answers a lot. Still not sure why McNeil took the strike.

Doesn't F1 have to declare they are going to the windup from the sideways pitching position? This one was apparently undeclared, or at least done quietly enough it was a surprise to everyone - including the batter who struck out. (I don't have full MLB games access to confirm). Anyone have insight into why this wasn't a balk? MLB Marlins Windup from Set 2025-09-28.mov

Side thread: I love the Cobalt. I was between sizes so sized down. Glad I did. It fits a little snug but is comfortable and have only had a few mask off hang up (not many more than hat though). I had avoided it previously because I worried about trapping heat. It's been great though. Ventilation is actual better than a hat (and no sweat stains to get out of the hat).

Says who? 😉

Makes me think of the pause before calling FED OBS

What? Me typey gud...LOL. My bad. Let me try again. Do you have R1 out on this play? Lindsay argued with cites in the video it's nothing. What's your counter argument?

Low 83.1 High 91.1 unadjusted, and they use no buffer zone. Give the 1/2 inch+ margin of error (that's the Hawkeye moe and Trackman is supposedly less accurate that Hawkeye) no buffer zone is tough. I'm not familiar with their software setup so not sure how purposeful that is by the administrators. I'm sure it's biased so that 83-91 is really 93-101 accurate. 😁

Your position is should have been called Interference? If so, how you counter Lindsay's presentation that it was Interference?

Actually, I didn't know Bellino was a DS CC last year. The other DS CC's were Mark Carlson, James Hoye and Todd Tichenoe, Dan Iassogna and Bill Miller for LCS, and Mark Carlson WS CC. So that answers my question - MLB doesn't hold it against him.

So let's take it to a non-debatable place: What if the runner took a step into the infield (but only a 2'11" step) and did jumping jacks to block the throwing lane, would that be INT? Show your work.

How do you think this plays into an assignment decision?

Looked to me that he was avoiding the tag. How's this much different than the guy who prolongs a rundown to let his teammate score. It's not. That's the first assumption of the OP. If you see it as simply avoiding a tag by < 3 ft, you got nothing. No debate. If you see it otherwise (and even see it as intentional (lower case 'i')), then it's a discussion on the rules. That's where others are and thus the debate we're having.