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Not in the context of what just happened - the coach initially told him to go to second, then changed his mind. If there is a reach it's simply a reaction to his own actions, not necessarily Pham's. So he telepathically assisted 😉 (seriously though, I see your point). Pham did feint imo so that frame may be coloring what I see.

Whether he touched him or not that reach tells me the coach thought Pham had feinted to 2B.

Do you say that because you don't think he touched him, because you don't think Pham was going to 2B in the first place, or something else?

Because until it is thrown, baring an intentional action, it is treated as a batted ball. I think we're saying the same thing. It's a process of elimination (it's clearly not catch & carry). We don't want to (or even think it's a "deflected ball") but rather that's the only other rule to apple.

How is a possessed ball "deflected"?

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True. It's not like 99% of the audience (announcers included) would know the difference to credibly challenge the ruling, i.e. umps are going to get criticized regardless.

Thinking about it... maybe runners should be placed per umpire judgement. Otherwise there can be advantages to grabbing a ball and jumping out of play.

Rule 9? Rule 9? We're talking about Rule 9?!?! I'm with you but... Given the rules being swiss-cheese at times, what alternative is there? The 1 base award is explicit about Catch and carry. This doesn't qualify under that proscribed rule so what else you going to do? That explains the 13 minute delay as @Jimurray surmised.

Yep LL does the same thats where I was confusing it. 1st fielder gets the attempt booting it does not get them continued protection.. Ok thanks for clearing my mind on that one Hmm. Didn't realize FED did that. Makes sense since under OBR it's better that a deflected ball hit the runner (unintentionally of course) vs getting stuck on INT for not avoiding a fielder fielding a deflected ball on a bang-bang play.

There isn't explicitly one. The only rule that covers carrying the ball into DBT is when it is caught on the fly and carries out. Carrying an uncaught, live ball into DBT isn't covered. Deflected is closest thing. OBR 5.06(b)(3) Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when: (C) A fielder, after catching a fly ball, steps or falls into any out-of-play area; Rule 5.06(b)(3)(C) Comment: If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should step or fall into any out-of-play area, the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder entered such out-of-play area.

#9 bullet in the below would be the leaping off point. Anyone have a rationale on why this is 2 bases vs the exact same ball caught in flight and carried into DBT is 1 base? MLBU Rule Interpretation 20: 20. BALLS DEFLECTED OUT OF PLAY Rule 5.06(b)(4)(H): The Approved Ruling of Official Baseball Rule 5.06(b)(4)(H) provides that when a pitched ball deflects off the catcher and goes directly out of play, the award is one base from the time of the pitch. Likewise, when a throw from the pitcher while in contact with the rubber deflects off a fielder and goes directly out of play, the award is also one base. However, the Approved Ruling also provides that if the pitched ball (or ball thrown by the pitcher while in contact with the rubber) goes through or by the catcher (or fielder), remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected out of play, the award is two bases from the time of the pitch. The above rulings apply if the deflection is unintentional on the part of the fielder. If, in the judgment of the umpires, a fielder intentionally kicks or deflects any batted or thrown ball out of play, the award is two bases from the time the ball was kicked or deflected. The following list helps summarize awards when a ball is deflected out of play: If a pitched ball deflects off the catcher and goes directly out of play, the award is one base from the time of the pitch. If a ball thrown by the pitcher while in contact with the rubber deflects off a fielder and goes directly out of play, the award is one base from the time of the throw. If a pitched ball (or a ball thrown by the pitcher while in contact with the rubber) goes through or by the catcher (or fielder), remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected out of play (unintention- ally in either case), the award is two bases from the time of the pitch. This ruling applies without regard to whether or not the ball would have gone out of play had it not been kicked or deflected. See the Approved Ruling to Official Baseball Rule 5.06(b)(4)(H). If a thrown ball deflects off a fielder and goes directly out of play, the award is two bases from the time of the pitch if it is the first play by an infielder; otherwise the award is two bases from the time of the throw. If a thrown ball goes through or by a fielder, remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected out of play (unintentionally in either case), the award is two bases from the time of the throw. If a fair fly ball is deflected in flight by a fielder and then goes out of the playing field in flight over fair territory, it is a home run. If a fair fly ball is deflected in flight by a fielder and then goes out of play outside the foul lines, the award is two bases from the time of the pitch. If a fair ball not in flight is deflected by a fielder and then goes out of play, the award is two bases from the time of the pitch. If a fielder has complete possession of a batted or thrown ball and subse- quently deflects or kicks the ball out of play, the award is two bases from the position of the runners at the time the ball was kicked or deflected. If a fielder has complete possession of a batted or thrown ball and drops the ball and it then goes out of play, the award is two bases from the position of the runners at the time the ball was dropped. If, in the judgment of the umpire, a fielder intentionally kicks or deflects a batted or thrown ball out of play, the award is two bases from the time the ball was kicked or deflected.

For ease (that website is wonky for me)

Do they get an allowance for the F-U strike? 🤣

So this is outdated?

Page 28 of the 2023-24 NCAA rulebook

That's unfortunate. Interesting. They have the good sense there but not at 9U. I wonder why they cut it off there. Amen brother. I hear you not that one.

That one the batter obviously had no intent (imo). That said, I don't see a batter wanting a strike against him as a travesty - but can understand the viewpoint that does. * Intentionally swing at a wild pitch to advance on U3K has obvious benefit. Even to keep an at bat alive is valid gamesmanship imo.

That's a live ball. Understandable confusion with the popular but incorrect "dropped third strike" vernacular. The rulebook refers to it as an "uncaught third strike" to avoid this confusion.

But only another runner can do it (without passing - and I'll be watching). But right now, the bases are empty so "He's Out".

Thank goodness. When I first saw this I worried the call was going the other way.

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SECTION 4 FORFEITED GAME No change. You've still got it. Welcome back. NFHS 4-3 ART. 1 . . . A game shall be forfeited to the offended team by the umpire when a team : is late in appearing or in beginning play after the umpire calls "Play." State associations are authorized to specify the time frame and/or circumstance before a forfeit will be declared for a late arrival by one of the teams; or refuses to continue play after the game has started; or delays more than a reasonable amount of time in resuming play, or in not obeying the umpire ' s order to remove a player for violation of the rules ; or persists in tactics designed to delay or shorten the game; or willfully and persistently violates any of the rules after being warned by the umpire; or is unable to provide at least nine players to start the game or cannot provide eight players to finish the game; or NOTES: 1. An out will be called each time that spot in the batting order comes to bat. If the offensive player must be substituted for after reaching base, the most recent bat- ter not on base is allowed to run for that player.