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Correct. The OP was correctly ruled because it did not meet the criteria.
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Not NFHS, but OP adjace, LL goes so far as to define this as 'reverse double play'. Other rulesets don't appear to since it is already covered as @LRZ points out.
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LL RIM is below. Taking it in holistically (e.g. a manager may come out once in one inning [doesn't explicitly cover switchover] and a manager who is granted a time out will be charged with a visit [no time out in the OP case])... no, it's not a visit unless you delay the game (as @The Man in Blue said). In practice, I have seen it called as a charged visit though so manager can clarify ahead of time or roll the dice with it being called a visit (especially post season when things tighten up).
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Thanks @dumbdumb. Are you exploring the process or have an opinion on the ruling (curious, not criticizing)?
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Thanks. I edited my post in case anyone only reads that.
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Thanks @ErichKeane. That's why I was confirming. My memory bank had that a fielder clutching but not throwing was "hindering". Fell trap to a myth I guess. Tip of the hat to @Senor Azul who posted previously: From the 2016 BRD (section 294, p. 193): FED Official Interpretation: Hopkins: After a dropped third strike, when the batter-runner is not in the lane, the catcher’s throw does not have to hit the batter-runner to create interference. But the umpire may not call interference if the catcher does not throw.
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hmm Odd in LL At the training in Bristol we were told if they do not throw it you can still call it because a catcher may not want to hurt the runner by throwing it and hitting them. They said do not blame the catcher for that non throw. Obviously not going to argue what you were told (nor that it makes sense) but here is the LL 2021 RIM for reference. Teams may be hesitant to make the throw since the penalty for airmailing it is high and they're not sure the RLI call will be made. I figured that was part of NFHS not requiring a throw. 12U primary reaction to getting hit in the back will be to cry. High school, well you know...
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So to even consider RLI we have the below? OBR & LL - quality throw required NFHS - no throw required a throw of any quality required [corrected] NCAA - a throw of any quality required
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The complete cite for reference: NCAA Rule 7 / Batting: When Batter or Batter-Runner Is Out SECTION 11 A batter is out when: •p. In running the last half of the distance from home plate to first base while the ball is being fielded to first base, the batter-runner runs outside the 3-foot restraining line or inside the foul line and, in so doing, interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, except that the batter may go outside these lines to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball; Note 1: If the batter-runner is running illegally to first base and his being outside the lane alters the throw of a fielder, hinders or alters a fielder’s opportunity to field the throw, or the batter-runner is hit by the throw that has been made in an attempt to make a play, it shall be called interference and the batter-runner is to be called out. Exception—The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot running lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base and for the sole purpose of touching first or attempting to avoid a tag. He may exit the running lane on his last stride or step if he has been running legally within the running lane up to that point. Note 2: The batter-runner is considered outside this 3-foot lane if either foot is outside either line. Note 3: On a tag play between home plate and first base, a batter-runner may retreat toward home plate to evade a tag, but shall be declared out after touching or passing home plate, or leaving the base line. The ball remains live. Obstruction on a batter-runner retreating toward home plate must be intentional.
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What exactly about this sequence of events do you have an issue with?
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The balls taken out of play can be recycled into play if they're ok (at least that used to the MLB practice when a friend was a ball boy).
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HPU in Oregon State / Vanderbilt verbally moved one along today as well
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Agreed. Annoying as all heck. I shut down beating on the fence immediately. Never challenged - everyone is usually thankful.
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The other consideration is if the cheering reaches a crescendo during the pitching motion. LL explicitly prohibits this as an example. It's a judgement call of course.
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We discussed this specifically recently here and no case plays came up. LL RIM 2021 excerpt below. Section (d) is an example of visual interference (though not explicitly called that). No more a leap than other interps we've seen to extend this is the the batter doing the baton twirling routine. It likely hasn't happened in a prominent enough situation to be addressed one way or the other (LLWS ending play for example). At higher levels it's probably less impactful on the catcher and/or addressed by the catcher/pitcher in other ways.
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2nd person I know this year that happened too. I was the one who told him when I got the "huh?!?" look when I said congrats.
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👍 Honest conflict over dishonest harmony
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It's 26 minutes into the ESPN replay. I can't try to trim the video enough to post right now but here's a still photo as F6 has ball and is starting to throw to 1B.
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For those interested, to qualify as a two-way player: In order to appear as a pitcher without counting toward a club’s pitcher limit, a player must accrue both at least 20 Major League innings pitched AND at least 20 games started (as either a position player or designated hitter) with at least three plate appearances in each of those games, in either the current season or previous season."
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Looks likes something got edited by mistake @Catch18
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Are catchers no longer striving to frame pitches in your area??
Velho replied to Recontra's topic in Free For All
Well this has been an interesting conversation... Hopefully everyone agrees this should be called a strike regardless of being caught or anything else. -
Plus it doesn't help in the development of the batter or the pitcher. Assuming by "outside pitch" we mean beyond the rule book (i.e. none of the ball caught the plate) I'm in agreement.
