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  1. I didn't think I had to specify but if the retired runner slides legally and hinders the pivot man do you have INT?
  2. Relearn by reading the rule: “In any situations other than (a) or (b), on a batted ball which is the first play by an infielder, all runners including the batter-runner are awarded two bases from their positions at the time of the pitch. For purposes of this rule, the act of ­fielding is not considered a play. If every runner, including the batter-runner, has advanced one base at the time of the first play, the award is two bases from the time of the throw. For any subsequent play by an infielder or for any throw by an outfielder, the award is two bases from the time of the throw.” Excerpt From 3-5 2020 NFHS Baseball Rules Book NFHS https://books.apple.com/us/book/2020-nfhs-baseball-rules-book/id1485298477 This material may be protected by copyright. I don’t see a distinction regarding the first play being the force at 2B so the award would be 2 bases TOT as the throw to 1B was the second play. Where the batter was when the ball went out of play means nothing. In most of these plays the batter would get 3B (edit 2B, typing error on phone) because a smart pivot man would not throw if the batter was already at 1B.
  3. A retired runner must do something intentional to be guilty of INT when still running the bases "normally". As stated earlier OBR allows a retired runner to slide and take out the pivot man. Wendelstedt allows a retired runner to stay in the 1B - 2B basepath and not be guilty of INT if hit with a throw. Wendelstedt allows a B-R to overrun 1B after a foul popup is caught and a throw toward 3B to double off an R3 that hits the B-R would not be INT.
  4. NCAA does not require umps to go out on routine fly balls. U3 might have read a no play fly and did not go out or delayed his decision to go out. U1 either was not sure or was slow in reading U3 and possibly started his in and pivot late or aborted it if he saw U3 stay in. We need video of all of the play and who did what.
  5. In any code you could have unsportsmanlike conduct with the kick and the out would not happen. But you would have to see the kick.
  6. While there is no UI call for this play there was an Umpire Obstruction called quite a few years ago in an NCAA D1 Texas A&M game. U1 got in the way the same as the OP and I can't remember if the runner was out at 2B or just held at 1B but after the play the Aggie coach talked U1 into awarding 2B. Can't remember if the defensive coach came out but the call was accepted. While most opinions including mine was the rule was kicked the only quote from an NCAA official that was word of mouth was that "it was the right call for that ballgame." There was no protest. If you used 9.02a you would lose a protest but perhaps there would be none as evidenced in the A&M game.
  7. Before OBR added the force play slide rule Wendelstedt said the reason a retired runner could continue to slide and break up the DP was the “continue to advance” clause. No runner in any OBR code was ever called for retired runner INT when they broke up the DP with a bona fide slide.
  8. And their are none to not allow this whatever this is. 1. Are you calling every DP breakup slide retired runner interference, pre or post MLB rule changes? 3. I misspoke. Ball is short hopped and F6 steps on 2B to get BR. Frozen retired R1 gets hit by the throw..
  9. Would you allow a retired runner in his slide to continue the slide legally and perhaps hinder the pivot man? Would you allow a B-R to run out his pop fly just back and foul of 1B and while overrunning being hit by a throw to double off R3 who drifted off 1B. Would you call a retired runner, R1 frozen between 1B and 2B on a line drive caught, out when he is hit by the throw to1B to appeal him? The defense is obliged to know who is out and to throw around base runners other than a BR on a DTK. Some inequity can happen. NCAA seems to want to punish intent so that might be different. But intent can be argued and now with IR runners are being taught to keep going no matter what the call or number of outs.
  10. You might be correct in NCAA but in FED and OBR that act alone would not result in an out for INT.
  11. Or D1 does not refer an NCAA league or it was NCAA Softball umpires where a call was made correctly recently but the coordinator misspoke about why the call was correct. BUT NCAA D1 baseball umpires can screw the pooch. The last two triple steals in NCAA were probably CI that was not called. And then we have umpire obstruction with an award to 2B when U1 got in the way of the B-R on an in and pivot in an A&M game quite a few years ago. If you read some of the questions directed at the NCAA on it's Arbiter page you would not be ready to bet the mortgage, but I would bet a round of beers in the case of the OP.
  12. That is an obscure requirement somewhere in Texas UIL procedures. I have never seen it become an issue and have probably started 1 or 2 minutes earlier a few times when our show up 5 minute meeting took my 1 minute pregame and the HTC took 30 secs to ground rule and they took the field that day without the lineups or an anthem. I actually have asked coaches on one occasion if we were ok to start early and they said yes when for some reason we somehow ended up at the plate 5 minutes early. But I'm aware of the Texas rule and ask the coaches if they want to start early but it would actually be a Texas UIL violation.
  13. The thread is about being hit by your batted ball. Your cites are about illegally batting the ball. The TASO test question has the batter legally batting the ball before his foot lands completely outside the box.
  14. Texas has him "in" the box as long as one foot is still in it whereas the caseplay has him "out" of the box when one foot is touching completely outside.
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