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love the guy that wants total transparency. does anyone really need to know of the fact that in times past, at least 2 non transparency events have been family members with severe health problems and nobody's dog gone business.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1984/04/02/the-umpires-strike-rack https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/06/25/Kansas-City-manager-Dick-Howser-says-he-knows-his/2406456984000/ caution, bad language

so, if he does a headfirst slide with his helmet held in front, or his shoe held in front or throws his belt out in front while still holding on to it, if that object reaches the base first, he is safe, as long as he is still in touch/holding/ in contact with that object. so instead of growing a half a foot taller and being able to reach a base quicker with our body, we now just reach out with a helmet, shoe or belt or even carry the bat and get an extra 36 inches extension and reach the base quicker.

No problem with that at all. Just wanted both pieces of information given in the article. And yes I would have commented if only the 2d piece of info was what everyone was getting and not the fan part.

Just wanted to let us all know that it was not the fan behind boone, mentioned early in the first article, it was an unknown person at the far end of the dugout mentioned later in the same article. And per hunter, rather than go walk down and try and find the person at the end of the dugout he tossed boone, their leader. Now what baseball tells Hunter about this situation is up to them.

Well this upbraiding was put in the 18th largest metropolitan area newspaper in 1996 https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1996/05/29/nl/ or https://www.chicagotribune.com/1994/06/22/miss-proves-wilkins-no-favorite-of-froemming/

not supporting any news out there, bias or unbiased, rag information or true/false information and not supporting/supporting anyone nohow noway, whatever way our minds go as we know, the epicenter of baseball has i think, what do i know, been New York. Maybe not a long long time ago, but in more recent times. There have been many from the NY Yankees front office to go to the MLB front office as former players, managers, travel, sales, whatever you can think of. So, a lot of info seems to come out of the NY Times, NY Post and i am not supporting either one although i am giving something found in the NY Post. If everyone considers either one a National Inquirer type thing, how the heck/dog gone whatever, would i know, i am dumb. Baseball gets to chose how they will handle the situation, subtly as the article mentions, (basically behind closed doors) or publicly. https://nypost.com/2024/04/22/sports/aaron-boone-gets-ejected-after-expletive-filled-fight-with-ump/ second follow up piece https://nypost.com/2024/04/25/sports/hunter-wendelstedt-to-face-subtle-discipline-for-aaron-boone-ejection/ and don't forget, everything out there is being evaluated (ding, no ding, or stands) for post season consideration. Ball/strike, safe/out, situation handling, mentorship, teamwork and everything else on the evaluation checkoff sheet, day in and day out. and, i would imagine, there is a way MLB would prefer to see almost every situation handled, not counting the new situations and 801c things that may come up. and, sometimes an umpire on the spur of the moment, may have to make a decision on a new situation (not exactly the same in every form that MLB has already talked about) that they feel is correct and what they believe MLB wants/how the situation to be handled. and, if major league baseball says that in that particular situation they want it handled a different way, the umpire cannot worry that they miss a playoff doing what they think is the right way Major League baseball would want a situation handled. You are not going to win all the time no matter how hard you try (such is life). Then when MLB tells you what they want on that new variable situation, you may get the chance to do it their way, when that exact same situation in every detail occurs again.

Another old article https://vault.si.com/vault/1978/04/10/the-despot-and-the-diplomat

Sounds like mlb is using 8.01c with a bit of 8.01b thrown in.

of course the rule is to prevent the cheap double play and that is what we are thinking. but, what about the guys on base or who will be left on base if you do miss the call. Would you rather have that (normally 'not saying i have watched Rothvert's 40 dash speed' slow catcher on 2nd) and speed demon Diaz on first if you call infield fly, or would you rather have diaz on 2nd and Rothvert out and Arozarena on first if you do not call infield fly. as a manager i would hope you did err and did not call IF on this play and let me have faster runners on both 2nd and 1st when behind by 2 runs. (yes, i know maybe diaz i think got injured on the play which could not be foreseen). or, did they intentionally try to miscommunicate and hope the umps did not call IF to let the ball drop with one of those everybody is confused and hoping to get 2 tagouts, rather than force plays on any 2 runners. kinda doubt that scenario.

Yep. Put the blame where it belongs (management, commissioner on down)(not the umpires or replay booth) for having a 'non reviewable' list to start with. hey, they could say any part of the body (the shoe in this case) in the base path is an extension of the bag or something along that line, so if you touch the fielder's shoe before the tag then you are safe.

If I remember correctly from an old article - Bill Hallers was a tug on the ear. You might remember him from the famous Earl Weaver video, but you might remember him from this other video/commercial that cannot be shown on TV anymore.

Congrats to Ashley Moyer-Gleich playoff selection.

and yet here is one from Sunday that looks a tad worse on both sides but no ejection. What gives. picking on the new guy.

but what happens when???(just like check swings) that photographer comes out with that picture that shows you were right all along with your original call and your partner missed the call, and not just by a little bit, but also not by a country mile.

i think i would include the below from the definition of terms section in the mlb rules Definition of Terms ORDINARY EFFORT is the effort that a fielder of average skill at a position in that league or classification of leagues should exhibit on a play, with due consideration given to the condition of the field and weather conditions. (Ordinary Effort) Comment: This standard, called for several times in the Official Scoring Rules (e.g., Rules 9.05(a)(3), 9.05(a) (4), 9.05(a)(6), 9.05(b)(3) (Base Hits); 9.08(b) (Sacrifices); 9.12(a)(1) Comment, 9.12(d)(2) (Errors); and 9.13(a), 9.13(b) (Wild Pitches and Passed Balls)) and in the Official Baseball Rules (e.g., Definitions of Terms, Infield Fly), is an objective standard in regard to any particular fielder. In other words, even if a fielder makes his best effort, if that effort falls short of what an average fielder at that position in that league would have made in a situation, the Official Scorer should charge that fielder with an error. in the old days i am not so sure the fielder of average skill at a position in that league was in the book so it was more individual to individual an infield fly to Ozzie Smith had a wider interpretation than to other shortstops, since Ozzie had a much wider range than other shortstops. P.S. (added later) think of that atlanta infield fly in the playoffs. if Ozzie was the shortstop, that was a can of corn for Ozzie. nobody would have moved. it was all Ozzie and everyone on the team, ballpark and the umps would know it and signal infield fly, without the 'average fielder' part (much less the weather and field conditions part) that is now defined in ordinary effort.

some of this out of the ordinary motion stuff started back in the day with Juan Marichal and Luis Tiant and maybe way on back too. believe it was Tiant that use to wiggle his hands coming down into the set, but they said since he continued coming down the whole time till he got to his belt, the wiggle was ok. rulings on sets, putting the hand in the glove (how/when) from the windup have been going on for quit a while and the rulings on them also.

IMHO which doesn't mean squat, think the last 2 we have seen were balks with runners on and illegal pitches if no one is on. the step off step back on and this double pitch if you ask me. his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch (not pitches, a fake/feint pitch and a real pitch) without interruption or alteration (of one pitch, not 2). let's hope this is like Joe West putting baseball in the jackpot, by saying the pitcher could not use a card, either by interpreting the rule that was as written that way or invoking 9.01c oops i thing it is 8.01c now. and guess what. they did make an immediate ruling/clarification that said he could use the card. they did not wait till the end of the year or the next year. so, if we have not heard, yet, any memo's being sent out on these last 2, they are saying the no calls of an illegal pitch means they were legal. and let's see what happens if runners are on base and they do this. will it be a balk for both or let it go.

Was it like the Dan Bellino one? https://www.mlb.com/cut4/umpire-dan-bellino-caught-a-mike-dunn-91-mph-fastball-c278618230

bat flip non ejection and then opposing coach ejected https://www.threads.net/@cjzero/post/C5uoRH8PPff

dang, we have an umpire shortage. i have seen umpires with great mobility bust their butts/hustle to get into perfect position and they are in perfect position, wait for the play to fully develope and be completed, use great timing, and still kick the (that word that Jimmy Joyce used) out of the call. so for our former military, i give kudos to those who would like to give it a try, either with less mobility or from a wheelchair. let them start from the middle of the infield obviously, and the PU take all fair foul calls on both lines, and maybe take third and home in certain situations. i have also seen umpires with great mobility, who's play calling ability was no better than flipping a coin. matter of fact, they could not call their way out of a wet paper bag, and had they just called the opposite of what they did call, they would have had a near perfect game. And that doesn't mean the greatest umpire ever in the world did not have one of those games too in their career, and probably more than one. so i give the service guys all the kudos they can get and use. would hope they would consider some other sports like volleyball and track and field to officiate. they would all be great at being clock operators and scorebook keepers as paid personel at the professional levels and amateur levels as well. i think some former baseball umpire guy used to do this for a pro team somewhere. and never forget--a thank you to our Military

i do not think there was ever a rule where the pitcher could take one step back off/disengagee, and then one step back on/engage the rubber, with the 'pivot foot', all in 'one continuous motion', and it not be called a balk, which would be a quick pitch with no runner on base. and in most cases you could not step off the rubber and get right back on without breaking the hands. you may hear, break em, from the ump with preventive umpiring/officiating, at least that is what an old guy said that went to the school years ago. and maybe now the above is legal with rule changes and interpretations over time. hey 'write' to Bill Miller at the MLB office and Whit Merrifield at ( i believe he is with the Philadelphia team now) on the rules committee at mlb and the phillies addressed to Merrifield and get them to change the rule, if this maneuver is really legal.

so, what are the mechanics of a quick pitch. if if were me and i heard the umpires yell balk by accident, like with runners on, and the pitcher pitches, i am taking the biggest swing ever, unless the pitch is way way out of the zone, heck i might even swing on a bounced pitch if the bounce is good, since it is a free swing situation. unless an audible goes with the quick pitch, and not some arm sticking out stuff that a batter couldn't see, i would hope they yell something so i would know i got that free swing coming. And who was the crew chief for this play above, and where were they on the field to help on this play, if they thought is was/was not a quick pitch. harder to see that little step back from the plate or (second when behind the fielders vs in the infield) so those corner guys can really help on this one). then they had a huddle. mention everyone in the discussion. heck, some say if you have a borderline situation, just call a catch/no catch a no catch and a fair foul/ fair so the play can proceed and then instant replay can catch what it truly was. just like with that time out ,you cannot change it/unring the bell. call out balk on this play (even if there is no verbal mechanic for this), let the batter have his 'free swing' if he wants, and then go undo the situation after a huddle. P.S. so far Angel has not posted a strike score in the 70's or the 60's courtesy of umpscorecards, which has already been done by more than 1 umpire in that range. Nelson had a 68 per cent on strikes a couple years ago that no one jumped on. Let's make sure we post all umpires bad scores/mistakes and plays and not just Angels. those pictures are out there for everyone not just 1 or 2 individuals.

All 4 umpires have worked at least a regionals and 2 a cws they know exactly what they are doing and how rules are to be enforced and coach says they are wrong. Went to review for both situations involved on field. Rewrite rules if they and instant replay are wrong. Go complain to sec about rules and enforcement and get them changed then. Don't blame umpires for poor rules and interpretations. bleacherreport.com/articles/10115893-video-11-players-ejected-from-georgia https://cbua.arbitersports.com/front/103681/Site/Information/Compensation-Structure

yep that works, thanks, and here is the game version that i finally found on youtube. go to 3:38.28. layne, gibson, marquez, kulpa, barrett, cedarstrom working the game