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  1. Jimurray i will give you 2 articles (probably already read them a while ago.) you can decide which should/might happen on one of your thoughts above. read the articles carefully. the words used are, plans to (not definitive), and, may/undecided (not definitive), and who/whom they were said to (it looks like judge Kelly versus Bob Nightengale (or at least reported by Nightengale). now, if it had been you that said those same words above to the same two people, no matter what you are thinking, what would you do?. and then, lets see what happens in this situation. joe did get knee replacement surgery in the off season. joe is not the oldest umpire to work if you go by all time, versus right now. At least one, Shag, still has him beat on that one. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlbs-five-silliest-controversies-of-2021-mets-vs-their-fans-tony-la-russa-vs-own-player-and-more/ https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/5/25/22453110/joe-west-umpire-record-games-white-sox-cardinals-guaranteed-rate-field
  2. this was done in 1980-81 with Merle Harmon and Ron Luciano on NBC, but it is hard to find one of them, if any on you tube. and of course with MLB being way behind the times, the japanese league has made the umpires announce decisions for a long time and i believe that one on CCS showed the umpire with a mic in that KBO post on CCS yo, what was that HPU rig being used in the KBO game. think is was some type of Wilson. why don't they just use the masks the catchers use if they are more protective (and if a backwards wearing helmet is used by catchers, then use a backwards wearing helmet) be darned the official umpires masks out there, unless you want a commercial of your brains on the official umpire rigs, versus the old frying pan for your brains on drugs.
  3. you guys watched your favorite umpires all this afternoon and tonight. watched my favorite umpire this afternoon. https://www.facebook.com/pg/MarijanaVeljovicTennis/posts/
  4. you can talk to Greg Gibson, i.e. Lorenzo Cain, but you cannot badger (badger rather than that other 2 word phrase) Greg Gibson.
  5. you guys pretty much covered the essentials. it looks like the original Munson case that year 1975, 'was not protested' when Art Frantz working HP and Bremigan was working 1B (Neudecker cc). So with no protest, there was no ruling for McPhail (former Yankee front office) to make. Frantz also used home plate to measure the 18 inch point in that argument on Munson using to much pine tar on the bat. So, all the Yankees would file this in their (times we got hosed) little black notebooks for future reference. However, once again, no protest=no real way to learn what Lee McPhail would have ruled in that Munson case at the time. So, later with the Mayberry game, here comes 'the protest' and the first McPhail ruling in 1975. Just wondering why articles with the umpires and all the regular articles never mentioned (over and over) the Mayberry ruling from 1975, during all the hoopla in 1983, and the fact the Royals apparently forgot about the Mayberry ruling some how. And naturally in 1983 the Yankees chose to remember the Munson incident and not the Mayberry ruling. Guess the Yankees don't put rulings in the black book, just apparent injustices towards them go into that black book. And remember Martin is all right with a close decision going against him once, but the second close decision has to go for him or there will be heck to pay. Everything has to even up, be darned what things might really be. all the umpires but McClelland in 1983 would have been in pro ball by 1975, Coble MiLB and it seems like everyone would have read about the Mayberry ruling in 1975 in the Sporting News back then unless they did not have it. So why all the remberances of a non protested game with Munson stuck with everyone (players, umpires, press, etc) over the protested decision with Mayberry is just one of those things.
  6. neat. i do not remember any articles (doesnt mean that i dont miss every single one of them) mentioning that prior case, but they still should have put that in the small print for everybody to use going forward from 1975, then no issues. Joe Brinkman who had his own umpire school at one time, and a very good rules knowledge man in his time, nick bremigan (referee magazine column maybe) were on the crew at the time, and drew coble rounding out the crew (seems like they would have known the old 1975 ruling as they were MLB (Brinkman and Bremigan) at the time, but hey you never know. Get insight, thanks.
  7. and the original ruling should have stood, with an immediate comment that from here on out, the interpretation of the rule would change from the correct ruling and interpretation on the field that day by the umpires as the rule was written, to the new interpretation issued by the commissioner. Commissioner and rules committee could have easily changed this ruling/interpretation years before it happened, to the new interpretation the commissioner ended up announcing, prior to the incident happening, so instead of being proactive to this situation ahead of time, the commissioner and rules committee chose to be reactive after the fact to the situation.
  8. it only shows in these 2 articles for me. now i will go look for it under new york times. oh yes, there it is in the New York Times. https://thevitalnews.com/the-little-league-world-series-is-the-pinnacle-for-the-umpires-too/ https://techilive.in/the-little-league-world-series-is-the-pinnacle-for-the-umpires-too/
  9. way behind the times. nba/wnba referees are listed at 9:00am on game day. https://official.nba.com/referee-assignments/ insider trading. pretty much MLB rule 21d(2), posted in all MLB clubhouses. http://content.mlb.com/documents/8/2/2/296982822/Major_League_Rule_21.pdf
  10. doesn't umpire school pretty much robotize their process so there is a much more level playing field for judging performance with mechanics and positioning. And cannot, of course, your natural (whatever yours are/or are not) instincts come into play, when a situation (out of the box) does not conform to those natural umpire school taught positioning robotics for all plays, and that can get a smile/rise out of the evaluators for your instincts performed on the fly. So LL doesn't seem to be the only place robotized mechanics/positioning for the most part come into play.
  11. if you are going to work for alderson (no umpire favorite), of course you are going to argue ball and strikes and get ejected he wants to make it so umpires have to listen to ball/strike arguments. keep the theater part of baseball. Of course he does not like the shift and he thinks the culling of minor league teams is/was not the way to go. also, if you want stolen bases and running again, make minor changes to/tweak the rules like stepping back off the rubber to throw to first base, to even up the analytics that would make steals more advantageous analytically than just standing on first and wait/hope for the home run or double in the gap. https://japanball.com/articles-features/chatter-up/full-transcript-sandy-alderson/ Shane Thanks for that question. So it’s interesting you had to kind of downplay, almost hide the fact you’re working with a statistician and you obviously had to blend new school and old school from the very beginning for the reasons you just said. And now Moneyball came out 20 years later, and the owners got behind it, and now everyone’s kind of doing that model. And now there’s some talk about maybe the Ivy League model has gone too far in one direction. Do you feel that way? Sandy: Yes, I do, as a matter of fact. I’ve even thought about writing up an article in connection with that idea. A couple of random thoughts: first of all, I think you’re absolutely correct. Moneyball created a top-down revolution in the game. Owners read it, understood it, realized that baseball concepts were similar in many cases to other basic business principles with which they were familiar. There was an extension from those owners to the front offices. What Moneyball, the book, did was kind of lay it all out. It’s not like there was any great proprietary secret, but it kind of laid it all out and made total sense. It was an “aha” moment for a lot of these owners. Well, not surprisingly, over the years, what we’ve got now is we’ve got front offices that are basically extensions of ownership. I don’t think that’s good for the game, I think there used to be sort of three constituencies in the game; one was the players, one was the owners, and there, right smack in the middle, was baseball operations people. And within that group of baseball operations people, I think there resided a sort of “best interest of the game” philosophy. Today, the front offices are just an extension of ownership, there’s no ballast in the middle that keeps us focused on the best interests of the game as opposed to the best interest for me personally or for my team. So that’s one sort of ramification because everybody has bought into analytics. You talk about Ivy League, we’re not talking about history majors, I was a history major. We’re talking about economics majors, computer science majors. We’re not talking about a cross section, even in the Ivy League. And so what we have then is we have kind of [a] monolithic approach to the game. Everybody sees it the same way. And so as a result, the game I think has become very one-dimensional. We’re not going to get smart people out of the game, that’s not going to happen. On the other hand, my solution is to change the rules and make everybody start from zero again. So because what we’ve done so far, we’ve squeezed all of the uncertainty out of the game. One of my big targets is the shift. I hate the shift. The shift, to me, is a problem because it has created a more one-dimensional approach to the game. The idea that the hitters are going to go the other way is nonsense, because the analytics tells you that even if they go the other way and get a single, it doesn’t really help that much. If you got a single to left with a man at first, five times out of ten, that doesn’t overcome a home run two or three times out of 10. And as a result, we have people going over the shift rather than the other way, because it produces more runs. So one of my things is let’s get rid of the shift. And the second reason is it symbolically stiff-arms the front office and says, ‘Okay, we’re going to play the game on the field.’ And unfortunately, baseball has evolved through greater analytics and greater efficiency. I talked to a front office person a few weeks ago, and I was kind of lamenting the fact that it’s not as entertaining as it was before; we have basically one strategy, and so the unpredictability comes from the execution, or the lack of execution. It doesn’t come from an array of strategies that present themselves that you could choose from, there’s only one strategy. So he said, ‘Well, don’t blame me. My job is to solve every baseball problem in terms of efficiency and probability.’ And if you think about it that way, that’s the reason why we’re getting rid of some of the minor leagues. It’s because we have a one-dimensional strategic kind of approach in the game, and it’s suffocating the game itself. Now, when I say change the rules, the only way that you’re going to actually call more life into the game is by changing the rules in such a way that you incentivize different strategies. Why? Because the different strategies offer the same level of probability of success. For example, if you want more stolen bases in the game, you’ve got to figure out a way to incentivize teams to steal bases. And one of the ways… is to make it just as valuable to steal a base as it is to sit at first base and hope that the guy hits a homerun, you have to change the incentives. So we’ve got a lot of smart people in the game. They’re not going away. To challenge that sort of intellectual capital that each team has, we got to change rules and make everybody start over again and do it within reason. I’m not talking about changing stuff in a crazy way, but little things like if we’d had a minor league season this year, a pitcher [would have] had to step off before he threw to first base, little things that make it a little bit more likely to succeed in a stolen base or to do this or to do that. Those are the kinds of things that we need to promote. I’ve been a big proponent of making the umpires more accountable and get the strikes more consistent, but I have to tell you, I’m not sure about these Robo-Umps because that’s one more area of uncertainty which we want everything to be as perfect as it can be, but we need a little bit of room for mistakes. One of the things, unfortunately for the game, we don’t see any arguments anymore between umpires and managers. I used to love those things. They’re harmless, but they’re part of the theater of the game. Well, we don’t have any theater anymore. We’ve got instant replay, what have you. I’ve even proposed that you allow managers to argue balls and strikes. Why? Because it’s fun! Come on! Let’s have a little controversy once in a while! I mean, if you think about Earl Weaver going up against Steve Palermo or somebody, those were great fun. The first Manager we hired after Billy Martin left was a guy named Steve Boros in Oakland. He would never argue with an umpire, and he said, ‘Look, they’re not going to change their mind, so why should I argue? I said ‘Steve, it’s part of the theater of the game! You’re doing it because the fans wanna do it, your players wanna do it, you’re representing all of them and their emotions. This is part of the game; we don’t expect he’s gonna change his mind. That’s missing the point completely. So, Steve, go home, stand in front of a mirror. Tell yourself you’re gonna argue with an umpire tomorrow, and it’ll be fun.’ He never did. Not once. So anyway, I get off my soapbox.
  12. they do what they got to do, when they got to do it, however they got to do it, to meet the objective they want to meet https://www.mlb.com/news/why-is-the-mound-60-ft-6-inches-away
  13. With runners on base do they still have to declare if a hybrid stance is a windup or set, according to 5.07 (a)2 where ever that rule falls now., ccs talked about this somewhere.. Maybe the declaration was not given to start with and they had to clarify.
  14. What about the extra strain on the arm to get that curve ball to drop at the knees rather than in the dirt, and that high curve to stop dropping into the automatic home run hitting area. what level do you start putting in the extra distance so the arm can build up the strength, to be drafted after high school and when would you implement it after it would become a new rule if it does. How much time would the extra pounding on the arm take from a career so Borzas could start asking for more money, starting right out the box when pitchers are drafted. Why not drop the mound level some more. Seems like mounds were flat on the ground at some point in the baseball evolution. Or, with technology, when we do go to robot technology, just keep changing/tweaking the strike zone/hawk eye settings vertically and horizontally without telling anyone/programmers signing non disclosure/top secret, if they don't already, agreements, to get the batting average/home run and e.r.a./strikeouts pitching mix desired.
  15. 70k plus room/board and expenses per year in Japanese pro women's league with extra incentives for performance. 5000k to 6000k per year for US Pro women's league except Abbott who signed 1 million 5 or 6 year deal a while ago.
  16. i would say no step assuming they do not have to step back off the rubber with pivot foot and jab step is still allowed. non pivot basically just comes back toward rubber and not a big enough step towards first(some may call it a non-pivot foot jab step or spin move-step not far enough to first). others may disagree. there are several shots at 1, 27, 49 of this watching the whole video. but none are from home plate angle looking towards the mound or 2nd base angle looking towards the mound. do not think 1BU called this. others did. what i have noticed over time is that this step towards first does not have to be a big step like marking off a football penalty, but draw a line from the back heel of the non pivot foot towards the rubber. the step with the whole foot must end up over that line. so a size 12" shoe must have the heel land at least 13" inches and you better make it 14" or more towards the base or it just looks like you made a non step or a spin move and kept your foot in that same 12" circle spot it started in. not explaining this well but that is what it looks like, not saying this is the rule. some other rule sets may not make the step be but 1 inch as stepping, even though 11 inches of the foot are still in the original spot that the foot started in. so, let the people in the know here, with the contacts, explain what they know the step with the non pivot foot must be, and what the step is, for all the rule sets. and remember, no matter what ,this is a judgment call no matter how explicit or not the wording of the rule may be. just like balls and strikes, a pitch 1/2 inch off the plate to one, may look like a pitch that caught the plate by a 1/2 inch to another.
  17. and in what would probably called something a loser would do, or nice guys finish last, in the winner takes all world and feed the rest beans never leave the one who brought you to the dance or got you to the dance in the first place behind. https://www.aol.com/news/why-caeleb-dressel-tossed-first-065626805.html
  18. @lawump The person in the middle is why they are so well behaved and take sportsmanship/deportment/the pledge/ so highly across the organization. Nobody wants to look bad/use bad manners, in front of that person. oops, my apologies to the person cropped off accidentally on the left.
  19. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31844836/new-york-mets-manager-luis-rojas-given-two-game-suspension-fine-arguing-umpires
  20. an older gentleman who was taught both ways inside and outside protector at the umpire school, since you still had the option back then, told me when i asked. straps go over the shoulder. you put the protector under your chin by pulling the bottom inside of the protector with your hands and pushing the protector up to your chin, and you leave your fingers pinched up against the inside part of the protector closest to your belly. you do not put your whole hand and fingers holding the bottom, like a batter should not put his whole hand around the bat to bunt exposing his fingers. when the ball is hit, you reach up with your left hand to take the mask off, and as you do this the right strap drops off your right shoulder. you clamp the mask against the protector at your left which should now be on your left side. your right hand is free for the out call. when you have to make the safe sign, you extend your left arm and mask with the hand out. if the strap is still on your shoulder okay, but if it slides down that is all right also. i forget whether he said the strap must stay on your shoulder or you got dinged if it did or did not, as long as both arms were out for the safe sign you were all right. if ball gets by and you have to start running again, you just clamp the protector to your left side with the mask again and start running. many protectors did not have that Captain America strap in the middle to hold back in the day he said. they also worked directly over the catcher back in the day (directly over the kill zone if you have not figured that out yet). you can do it any way you want, as long as you get the pitches right, what do the players care. i think you could go into the slot and use it, even though you were not allowed back then when i asked the older gentleman. the slot would give you maximum protection from the kill zone. p.s., still wear your mitch kupchak. there is no getting out of that piece of equipment, balloon or not. or, put in a call to joe west, jerry davis, bob davidson, rich garcia, joe brinkman etc, etc, and maybe they could send some instructions. with a little googling, jerry neudecker in 85 and bill kunkel in 84 (yes, the former KC, and Yankee pitcher) were the last 2 to wear the balloon, with neudecker being the very last person and his outside chest protector is in the hall of fame.
  21. maybe someone can call this retired umpire and see if he is interested in selling his retired chest protector https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/major-league-umpire-tim-tschida-points-into-the-chicago-news-photo/91500401?adppopup=true
  22. courtesy of ccs last year during covid. not sure this will satisfy, but gives some insight https://www.closecallsports.com/2020/02/mlb-memo-to-teams-umps-to-confer-on.html
  23. just wait for sky hawk, it will not be that long. you just better hope it comes to all fields everywhere. with no runners on base, the catcher will no longer have any incentive (framing and presentation skills can go out the window on all pitches), to catch anything they do not want, especially on a sweltering day, and can just olay pitches if they so desire (no, i am not saying they definitely will). if the pitch is inside, i just wonder who might get hit by the olayed pitch before it gets to the backstop.
  24. https://news.yahoo.com/speedo-just-unveiled-bold-swimsuits-185900594.html
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