Set Position Taking Step with Non Pivot Foot

[Marcus6]

A few colleagues were discussing this while preparing for the state tourney. No runners on, RH pitcher uses the set position with his pivot foot parallel to the pitchers plate. Pitcher comes set and starts his motion with moving his left foot back (towards 1B). Is this an illegal pitch under NFHS? A balk with runners on? I can’t find a reference. Thanks.

[BigBlue4u]

When the pitcher is in the set position, with or without runners, he must come to a complete and discernable stop before delivering a pitch. (6-1-3)

[Marcus6]

2 hours ago, BigBlue4u said:

When the pitcher is in the set position, with or without runners, he must come to a complete and discernable stop before delivering a pitch. (6-1-3)

But he comes to a stop, then starts his motion with the left foot step back towards 1B to start his motion. Is this a balk/IP?

[Thatsnotyou]

This sounds like a wind up from the stretch, no? Which would make it illegal. 

[Jonump]

I have it as a balk as described, for the reason thatsnotyou stated. 

I had a version of this conundrum a few weeks ago in a JV game. P with pivot foot parallel would come set WITH his foot in a steppped-back-to-first base position, then would deliver the pitch.

Looked for all the world like a balk but I don't think it was. He just came set in a funny position.

But then sometimes he brought the foot back from that position to a more conventional set stance and then delivered, now I have it as windup out of the set position and balk. 

Took me a bit to process what I saw to be honest. I think I have this correct but would welcome comments

[Marcus6]

51 minutes ago, Jonump said:

I have it as a balk as described, for the reason thatsnotyou stated. 

I had a version of this conundrum a few weeks ago in a JV game. P with pivot foot parallel would come set WITH his foot in a steppped-back-to-first base position, then would deliver the pitch.

Looked for all the world like a balk but I don't think it was. He just came set in a funny position.

But then sometimes he brought the foot back from that position to a more conventional set stance and then delivered, now I have it as windup out of the set position and balk. 

Took me a bit to process what I saw to be honest. I think I have this correct but would welcome comments

Thanks for the responses so far:

This is what I am referring to:

 

[JHSump]

Doing a windup from the set position is definitely illegal. "Set position" = pivot fool parallel to the pitcher's plate.

It's an illegal pitch with nobody on base --- add a ball to the count on the batter.

It's a balk with runners on base.

In my association we try to catch the pitchers while they are throwing warm up pitches, correcting it then and there. Many have never been taught the correct NFHS set and windup rules.

[grayhawk]

Illegal in NCAA too. You can windup with your pivot foot parallel (with runners on base, you must notify the umpires), but you can't come set and then windup.

[Marcus6]

Understood I can’t find a reference or a case book example that says this is a balk/IP