Umpire Contacted by Batted Ball in Fair Territory - Live Ball

[Velho]

 

[Jimurray]

26 minutes ago, Velho said:

 

While we can forgive the YouTube title including "INT" we cannot give you a pass on your inclusion of "INT" in your title.

He must have a reason to straddle the line but aren't we all taught to be next to the line in "A"? I agree that being in foul territory doesn't keep you from getting hit by a fair ball but what would be the reason Conroy likes to straddle?

[Velho]

1 hour ago, Jimurray said:

While we can forgive the YouTube title including "INT" we cannot give you a pass on your inclusion of "INT" in your title.

Your issue is calling this Interference since it's not a dead ball?

[Jimurray]

21 minutes ago, Velho said:

Your issue is calling this Interference since it's not a dead ball?

Yes, this is not Interference, Umpire, or otherwise. 

[Velho]

[Jimurray]

1 minute ago, Velho said:

And actually, addressed in:

"5.05(b)(4)  A fair ball touches an umpire or a runner on fair territory before touching a fielder.

If a fair ball touches an umpire after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher, or having touched a fielder, including the pitcher, the ball is in play."

[umpstu]

3 hours ago, Jimurray said:

While we can forgive the YouTube title including "INT" we cannot give you a pass on your inclusion of "INT" in your title.

He must have a reason to straddle the line but aren't we all taught to be next to the line in "A"? I agree that being in foul territory doesn't keep you from getting hit by a fair ball but what would be the reason Conroy likes to straddle?

That ball was screaming down the baseline at the umpire, so the way to get out of it's path was to go into fair territory. Umpire can't help it hit the bag. Just one of those things.

[Jimurray]

Just now, umpstu said:

That ball was screaming down the baseline at the umpire, so the way to get out of it's path was to go into fair territory. Umpire can't help it hit the bag. Just one of those things.

I agree just bad luck but I am wondering why he straddles the line in A. 

[Richvee]

I almost had this happen to me last week. Similar hot shot, I take a step or two fair because the ball is going to go to my left. I’m watching for fair foul and… Bang it hits the base and now it’s headed right at me. Luckily I had a well positioned F3 with great reflexes to bail me out. 

[Jimurray]

7 minutes ago, Richvee said:

I almost had this happen to me last week. Similar hot shot, I take a step or two fair because the ball is going to go to my left. I’m watching for fair foul and… Bang it hits the base and now it’s headed right at me. Luckily I had a well positioned F3 with great reflexes to bail me out. 

I think you mistyped this sentence:  Luckily I had a well positioned F3 with great reflexes to bail me out even though my youthful agility had me out of the way anyway."

[Richvee]

26 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

I think you mistyped this sentence:  Luckily I had a well positioned F3 with great reflexes to bail me out even though my youthful agility had me out of the way anyway."

[Biscuit]

On 7/20/2024 at 1:24 PM, Jimurray said:

I agree just bad luck but I am wondering why he straddles the line in A. 

Because, honestly, it doesn't really matter. Yes, in theory, being in foul territory can save you from being hit by a fair ball. But, at that distance, you're going to be moving anyway. I personally like how it sets me up to react to the different plays (and quite frankly, I was taught to be there and see no reason to change), but if he likes something he sees by straddling more, then there's no real reason to not. U3 with R3 starts straddling the line or sometimes completely in fair territory (in the hot corner) because being able to see is a lot more important than being in foul territory.

[Jimurray]

9 hours ago, Biscuit said:

Because, honestly, it doesn't really matter. Yes, in theory, being in foul territory can save you from being hit by a fair ball. But, at that distance, you're going to be moving anyway. I personally like how it sets me up to react to the different plays (and quite frankly, I was taught to be there and see no reason to change), but if he likes something he sees by straddling more, then there's no real reason to not. U3 with R3 starts straddling the line or sometimes completely in fair territory (in the hot corner) because being able to see is a lot more important than being in foul territory.

It does matter if he does it for a reason that makes sense and we might adopt his method. 

[The Man in Blue]

Theory:

We are taught to stay in foul and "walk" to get us moving and ready to move in a 2-umpire crew.

In a 4-umpire crew, you aren't going to need to break in and "button hook."  He may have a better "centered" view on the line with a straddle.

[dumbdumb]

all right. i will try with a reason. it comes from that old guy i talked with several times that went to the umpire school years ago and had to learn both the inside and outside protector and take your mask off(that hat better not come off) with your left hand and for the outside protector tuck the balloon under your left arm all in one motion.

Remember the AL with the balloon you worked straight over the catcher, who in the old days pretty much sat up right in the middle of the plate. In the NL you pretty much worked the inside protector and in the slot and maybe over the catchers left shoulder but not right over his head (some may have) which is now referred to as the kill zone. the answer is going to be a little like the answer i have given on RLI from the old days. there were some interpretation differences and mechanics differences from the NL and the AL just like the AL had red jackets and the NL blue.

in running to first base the NL said you had to be running with both the left and right foot on the foul line the last half the distance to first. the AL said the right foot had to be on the line but the left foot could be in fair. The AL worked behind second for the steal, the NL in front of second (some worked in C and some in B).

for the foul line. the old guy said one League (not both) and I forget which one (maybe it would show on some old game films), straddled the line and the other league did not, they were totally in foul territory. the thinking was that you were straight on the line for the fair/foul. if you are all the way in fair or all the way in foul, you get the parallax effect (some might call it the overlap effect and Lindsay has this topic on you tube), since you are not straight on with the line. how about those parallax looks from the camera's that are not set up right on the line, or right on the wall for fan interference. same principle. and the old guy laughed and said they were told, if you get hit on the right foot you know the ball is fair, if you get hit on the left foot the ball is foul, but it was mainly for that straight line view you got.