Manager attends next game after ejection

[BigVic69]

Little League baseball rule set

 

A manager that was ejected last night attends his team’s game the following day.

 

Is this a protestable event?

 

The apposing team notices the ejected manager and informs the umpire before the game.

 

 

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[BigVic69]

Little League baseball rule set
 
A manager that was ejected last night attends his team’s game the following day.
 
Is this a protestable event?
 
The apposing team notices the ejected manager and informs the umpire before the game.
 
 
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My point is that a protestable issue is a game time / on the field issue. Anything outside the field, like an ejected coach doing whatever (as long as he is not coaching) would be an issue for the district or tournament director to handle.


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[noumpere]

Right (at least usually).  So, make a note that he was there and "testify" to that if asked by someone in charge.

 

Explain that you have no authority on the issue on e way or another at the game to the objecting team.

[Velho]

Agreed with @noumpere for regular season - though I'd consider talking to a Board Member if I knew any where there (like they are supposed to).

If this happened during post-season I'd find the Tournament Director and get it solved before first pitch. 

* For whatever reason the T.D. hasn't done their job. Could be the coach is a sh*tbird and they are steamrolling the T.D. in which case I'm happy to help

[Mudisfun]

If this situation happens to me, I will 100% take the protest from the coach, put it in the book and then let the game play on. At the conclusion, assuming the offended team wins and pulls the P, I would tell the coach he still needs to follow up with his BOD to address this. I know from my time as a board member, and as UIC, member of the ejection committee, I would be pressing for a multiple game suspension, or depending on prior acts, possible removal as coach or manager.

Tournament? I'm going to the TD and letting them sort it all out, however, the same reply to the offended manager for them to report the behavior to the BOD of the responsible league. 

Little League has rules that they need to follow... I know our DA would come down HARD on a manager who did this and flouted the rule regarding being ejected.

[The Man in Blue]

23 hours ago, noumpere said:

Right (at least usually).  So, make a note that he was there and "testify" to that if asked by someone in charge.

Explain that you have no authority on the issue on e way or another at the game to the objecting team.

This.  Do everything you can to get your game moving though.  At the tail end of a weekend full of delays, we lost another 30 minutes trying to start a semi-final game.

Coach A stops us on our way to the field and asks us if we know about the doctor’s note.  Our quizzical (but not terribly interested) looks followed.  He informs us Coach B has been getting around the tournament batting rules with a doctor’s note saying a kid cannot bat (broken something or other, cleared to play defense and pitch).  

At the plate meeting, Coach B informs us he is batting everybody but this kid.  Tournament rules say straight 9 (DH option) or CBO EVERYBODY.  He essentially wanted to bat 11 of 12.  We tell him no.  He pulls out a doctor’s note and says he has an e-mail from the guy who runs the tournament (not the site TD).  We lose 30 minutes as the coaches argue back and forth and then have to find the site TD who then has to make phone calls …🙄

Either no coach objected up to this point (most likely) or no umpires shut this down in the previous 5 games they played (possible).  Either way, this was the first the site TD had heard of it, and it was a roster issue beyond our field authority.  

 

[ErichKeane]

1 hour ago, The Man in Blue said:

This.  Do everything you can to get your game moving though.  At the tail end of a weekend full of delays, we lost another 30 minutes trying to start a semi-final game.

Coach A stops us on our way to the field and asks us if we know about the doctor’s note.  Our quizzical (but not terribly interested) looks followed.  He informs us Coach B has been getting around the tournament batting rules with a doctor’s note saying a kid cannot bat (broken something or other, cleared to play defense and pitch).  

At the plate meeting, Coach B informs us he is batting everybody but this kid.  Tournament rules say straight 9 (DH option) or CBO EVERYBODY.  He essentially wanted to bat 11 of 12.  We tell him no.  He pulls out a doctor’s note and says he has an e-mail from the guy who runs the tournament (not the site TD).  We lose 30 minutes as the coaches argue back and forth and then have to find the site TD who then has to make phone calls …🙄

Either no coach objected up to this point (most likely) or no umpires shut this down in the previous 5 games they played (possible).  Either way, this was the first the site TD had heard of it, and it was a roster issue beyond our field authority.  

 

"Exceptions to the rules need to be communicated to the crew before the game, so you bat him, or bat 9.  If you have a problem with it, take it up with the Tourney Director, but we're not delaying the game for it."

Then, if the TD wants the game replayed with the new rules, he can fork out another paycheck for the crew for it. 

[MadMax]

On 6/5/2024 at 12:40 PM, BigVic69 said:

A manager that was ejected last night attends his team’s game the following day.

How do we – the umpires – know this? And, barring our connection (the guy that pressed the button) or adjacency (partner of the guy that pressed the button, or a UIC supervising off-the-field) to the incident, how do we know the the “front/back office” administrative actions being taken? Maybe the guy was restricted, and not ejected. Maybe it was a “crap ejection”, and he’s appealing (at least the suspension part). 

And then you use that word “attends”. With minors involved, we need to have “responsible” adults present on any game involving them. Maybe this guy is the sole “responsible” chaperone for this club; they’ll have another parent, or assistant coach be the HC for that game, and the coach-in-question will just sit in the dugout… or stand behind the backstop (IMUO, I’d rather him be in the dugout in these circumstances). Heck, maybe he’s medical or first-responder, and needs to be present. Who knows? 

We gotta get past this “out of sight and sound” crap, especially as it is often expanded to beyond the interrupted game. I’m not only placing this invocation on the umpires, but I’m placing it on the TDs and their staffs. If an umpire ejects a coach, then he is to leave the field. Once off the field, he should wholly be the responsibility of the TD, SA, Site Supervisor, or UIC (outside the game). The umpires on the game underway should not have to stop the game any further to deal with this. 

On the other side of this same coin, we as umpires must refrain (stop) from needlessly expanding our purview beyond the fence. That’s not our place. If you’re the ejecting umpire, or crew, I can understand not wanting to see that same coach again in an immediately following game (me personally, I don’t mind it, but I can understand the sentiment). A good SA will switch crew-field assignments, or work some other administrative magic to start the next games with as little friction as possible. But, the umpires must cease extending their reach and affecting the game with matters outside the fence. 

[The Man in Blue]

17 hours ago, ErichKeane said:

"Exceptions to the rules need to be communicated to the crew before the game, so you bat him, or bat 9.  If you have a problem with it, take it up with the Tourney Director, but we're not delaying the game for it."

Then, if the TD wants the game replayed with the new rules, he can fork out another paycheck for the crew for it. 

I agree . . . sadly most of the delay was with the site director standing at the plate, so we could not go.  (I was not clear on that.)

When it was evident this was not going to be quick, we did start the timer since we were done with our portion of the plate meeting, but then were told to reset it (since it was supposed to be from the first warm up pitch).

[ErichKeane]

4 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

I agree . . . sadly most of the delay was with the site director standing at the plate, so we could not go.  (I was not clear on that.)

When it was evident this was not going to be quick, we did start the timer since we were done with our portion of the plate meeting, but then were told to reset it (since it was supposed to be from the first warm up pitch).

As someone who has ejected a SD in the past:
"Mr SD, Make whatever decision is in your authority NOW, then get off the field, its time to play ball".