Celebratory Props in LLWS??

[The Man in Blue]

8 minutes ago, Thunderheads said:

PoE ... but not sure about 'rules'

I have not seen 2024’s POEs … is it this years?

To be clear, I am not talking about general sportsmanship … I am talking about props specifically.

[Thunderheads]

4 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

I have not seen 2024’s POEs … is it this years?

To be clear, I am not talking about general sportsmanship … I am talking about props specifically.

it was a couple years ago ....

[SeeingEyeDog]

25 minutes ago, MadMax said:

Are you saying you won’t enforce the rule(s) within NFHS / NCAA games? (*jots down notes while looking like an insurance claim adjuster*) 

Similar argument to that high-fives are “assistance”. 🙄

No, not at all...I absolutely will enforce this as long as it's a rule.

I just meant on a personal level, I would have no problem with props. But, that might be geographical bias. I'm sure there are parts of this country for whom kids "daring" to use a prop to celebrate in a game is tantamount to challenging someone to a duel. No doubt the existence of the rule/POE and its adherence helps keep team on team crime down...

~Dawg

[834k3r]

18 hours ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

Because NCAA and FED have rules prohibiting it...

LL rules use OBR as a base, with some add-ons because Little League.

[stevis]

51 minutes ago, MadMax said:

 

You say that now… but LL, in particular, is built on this thing called “sportsmanship”… I’m just waiting for the abject sh!tstorm to erupt on the inevitable bat-flip-&-pimped HR (especially a walk-off one!) on international broadcast, with parents on both sides losing their minds over it (“have you no class?! Have you no sportsmanship?! He should be called Out! That HR shouldn’t count!!”). 

It’s coming…

I fear you're right...but the other day, LL shared on Facebook a video of one of the kids hitting a HR, stopping three feet from the plate, turning his back on his gathered teammates (behind the plate), and miming taking a selfie. (Then proceeding to complete his award, natch.)

Hoping someone at least sees that fun and sportsmanship don't have to be at cross-purposes all the time; at least someone on the social media team does.

 

 

[stevis]

double post sorry

[MadMax]

8 minutes ago, stevis said:

I fear you're right...but the other day, LL shared on Facebook a video of one of the kids hitting a HR, stopping three feet from the plate, turning his back on his gathered teammates (behind the plate), and miming taking a selfie.

On a ballfield, somewhere in this great land, an umpire is calling that kid Out, and quoting* some far-reaching reference to sportsmanship or assistance. 

The chances are high that this same umpire mentioned something about sportsmanship at the plate meeting. 

“Not on my field.” 

*- in this case “quoting” = “summoning something from one’s posterior”. 

[Velho]

1 hour ago, MadMax said:

12 hours ago, Velho said:

As long as it doesn't evolve into beanballs and fights, it's all good.

You say that now… but LL, in particular, is built on this thing called “sportsmanship”… I’m just waiting for the abject sh!tstorm to erupt on the inevitable bat-flip-&-pimped HR (especially a walk-off one!) on international broadcast, with parents on both sides losing their minds over it (“have you no class?! Have you no sportsmanship?! He should be called Out! That HR shouldn’t count!!”). 

It’s coming… 

Coming? That behavior is already here on all types of calls.

I hear it all the time from normal calls and even heard it in West Regionals on a Catchers Interference (PU is one of my UICs): "How can you live with yourself?"

[The Man in Blue]

8 hours ago, Thunderheads said:

it was a couple years ago ....

Not seeing it ... but I was out of NFHS for a few years while down south.

Closest I can find are an interp from 2022 and a POE from 2018 and 2019.  Neither explicitly states "no props" though the 2022 interp focuses on the taunting and intimidation aspects, not the props.

2022 interp:

SITUATION 8: Following a home run, the offensive team gathers around home plate with mock up “tiki” torches and a plastic long spear. As the runners touch all the bases, the team engages in a Polynesian style dance. As the batter-runner touches home plate, the entire team jumps high in the air, shouts “boom” as they all fall in a circle. RULING: While it is important for a team to celebrate exciting events in the game, it cannot be done in a manner that disrespects and humiliates the opposing team. Excessive and orchestrated celebrations that taunt and/or intimidate are not part of a high school game and are not to be allowed. The coach of the team involved may be warned, restricted to the bench or even ejected depending upon the circumstances. (3-3-1f1, 3; 2022 Points of Emphasis)

From 2018 and repeated in 2019:

Bench Jockeying, Celebrations and Negative Comments Between Opponents

Coaches, players, substitutes, attendants or other bench personnel shall not leave the dugout during live ball for any unauthorized purpose. Coaches or team personnel may not sit outside the dugout/bench on buckets or stools. Players are not allowed to stand or kneel outside their dugout/bench and make “cat-calls” or any other disparaging remarks while the other team is taking infield practice. Rooting for your team is an integral part of high school baseball. However, making disparaging remarks toward your opponent does not improve the game; in fact it detracts from the contest. The purpose of interscholastic sports is educational. Chants/intentional distractions/loud noises (natural or artificial) directed at the opponent’s pitcher prior to his pitching, or the batter getting ready to hit, or a fielder getting ready to make a play is not good sportsmanship. We should strive to have our young people play to the best of their ability and let their natural talent be the barometer of their success.

This is unsportsmanlike behavior and shall not be tolerated in interscholastic baseball. Umpires and coaches need to work together for the benefit of the students they officiate and teach. It is these game situations that provide coaches and umpires excellent “teachable moments” to reinforce proper behavior and perspective. The positive values that are learned at the baseball diamond will serve the young people long after their high school careers have ended.

[MadMax]

On 8/17/2023 at 7:22 PM, The Man in Blue said:

Neither explicitly states "no props" though the 2022 interp focuses on the taunting and intimidation aspects, not the props.

It was a PoE in AZ, further reinforced as necessary with the “everyone stays in dugout” rule.