Pickoff at 1st balk?

[noumpere]

52 minutes ago, BrainFreeze said:

This response is pretty disappointing. 

It's not worth explaining much, because the legal move you're not bothering to describe doesn't exist. 

 

 

No sense going back and forth on this, so I'll just say A2D.

[Jimurray]

 

 

1 hour ago, BrainFreeze said:

This response is pretty disappointing. 

It's not worth explaining much, because the legal move you're not bothering to describe doesn't exist. 

Pitcher is required to step directly towards a base when making a throw to 1B.

It's physically impossible for a right-handed pitcher to pick up their free foot and step directly towards 1B. 

If any umpire thinks it's possible, I would love to see a video of said umpire on the mound actually trying it.  Should be good for a giggle. 

Hopefully anyone that tries it will understand that the RHP's free foot must move towards HP on it's way towards 1B.  It's not a direct step -- that's why it's a balk.  <-- See that period again?  That means period.  Full stop.  Balk.  All day.  Every day.  Every ruleset.  Everywhere.

 

Your response is pretty disappointing. I guess you never have been educated with the Jim Evans Balk video. But you did ask for video and Jim Evans demo pitcher shows the move. Jim himself shows it elsewhere in the video but I don't want to spend much time finding it. Suffice it to say that Evans, an umpire, and F1, a pitcher can do that move legally, however ineffective it might be. Period, sorry you have to download and play. Couldn't embed and don't know why it ended up on top.

 

 

[ErichKeane]

6 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

 

 

 

Your response is pretty disappointing. I guess you never have been educated with the Jim Evans Balk video. But you did ask for video and Jim Evans demo pitcher shows the move. Jim himself shows it elsewhere in the video but I don't want to spend much time finding it. Suffice it to say that Evans, an umpire, and F1, a pitcher can do that move legally, however ineffective it might be. Period:

 

 

Thats not a particularly GOOD version of the move (a lot of pre-step motion), but I've definitely seen this done effectively.  You can do it by essentially 'slide stepping' (wiht minimal lift) with the front leg straight back, which twists the hips/shoulders to the base.  When done well/quickly, it is, IMO, more effective/less obvious to a runner.

When I grew up, I had a couple of coaches teach that move instead, since it often is less obvious to  runners that are concentrating on the back leg for a jump/step off.

[Jimurray]

4 minutes ago, ErichKeane said:

Thats not a particularly GOOD version of the move (a lot of pre-step motion), but I've definitely seen this done effectively.  You can do it by essentially 'slide stepping' (wiht minimal lift) with the front leg straight back, which twists the hips/shoulders to the base.  When done well/quickly, it is, IMO, more effective/less obvious to a runner.

When I grew up, I had a couple of coaches teach that move instead, since it often is less obvious to  runners that are concentrating on the back leg for a jump/step off.

Effective and not balked🙂

[ErichKeane]

Just now, Jimurray said:

Effective and not balked🙂

Ah, yes... I was commenting exclusively on the 'quality' of the move there, not the legality.  I absolutely agree that is legal.

[The Man in Blue]

7 hours ago, ErichKeane said:

Thats not a particularly GOOD version of the move (a lot of pre-step motion), but I've definitely seen this done effectively.  You can do it by essentially 'slide stepping' (wiht minimal lift) with the front leg straight back, which twists the hips/shoulders to the base.  When done well/quickly, it is, IMO, more effective/less obvious to a runner.

When I grew up, I had a couple of coaches teach that move instead, since it often is less obvious to  runners that are concentrating on the back leg for a jump/step off.

 

I was thinking along those lines ... not something that is expected, so it could be effective (but not efficient).

[maven]

16 hours ago, Jimurray said:

 

Thank you for bothering to clip this and send it. The best proof that something is possible is to demonstrate that it is actual.

[Jimurray]

3 hours ago, maven said:

Thank you for bothering to clip this and send it. The best proof that something is possible is to demonstrate that it is actual.

Thank you for the thank you. Do you think @BrainFreeze will thank us for enlightening him?

[GiantEngineer]

On 7/6/2023 at 1:34 PM, BrainFreeze said:

I'll repeat what I said earlier, RHP in the set position cannot lift his free foot and throw to first.  <-- see that period?  That means period.  No exceptions. 

I don't believe this is correct. A jab step or jump turn will get his free foot off the ground and both are legal moves.