Run down tag

[Guest Bill]

Run down between third and home.  Third baseman tags runner out five feet from home.  Umpire calls him out.  Player drops ball on transfer/tag.  Runner steps on home ten seconds later, umpire says safe.  Does umpire have an obligation to announce that runner is no longer out?  He alleged after the game that ball was dropped on transfer, then when pressed, on tag.  

[Velho]

What level & ruleset was this played under?

[Guest Bill]

8U travel.  Not sure on rule set but it’s Cal Ripken league 

[Rich Ives]

1 hour ago, Guest Bill said:

8U travel.  Not sure on rule set but it’s Cal Ripken league 

8U? Buy the kids ice cream and go home.

[Catch18]

Player drops ball on transfer/tag.  

Which is it? Can’t be both. Meaning, he’s either “transferring” by reaching into the glove and grabbing it for the all important voluntary release….or he dropped it while applying a tag.

[beerguy55]

On 6/11/2022 at 7:00 PM, Guest Bill said:

Run down between third and home.  Third baseman tags runner out five feet from home.  Umpire calls him out.  Player drops ball on transfer/tag.  Runner steps on home ten seconds later, umpire says safe.  Does umpire have an obligation to announce that runner is no longer out?  He alleged after the game that ball was dropped on transfer, then when pressed, on tag.  

The umpire's job is to communicate his judgment.  If he has told everybody the runner his out, and then realizes he made a mistake (perhaps he made the call too soon - something inexperienced umpires do a lot on their path to learning), he should then be communicating that, in real time....perhaps a very animated safe motion with arms with a "No tag, no tag"...SOMETHING to indicate he's not out.

At this level, the umpires are likely learning just as much as the kids.  He'll learn to wait a beat to assess the completion of the play.  He'll learn the difference between dropping the ball on a tag or on a transfer.  He'll learn to communicate better in game.  He'll learn to keep his mouth shut after the game.  And he'll learn to file formal complaints for post-game harassment.

 

I also have a hard time believing that the runner took ten seconds to move five feet to home plate.  Ten seconds is a LOOOOONG time.  Most of this type of action (even if the runner is starting back towards the dugout) finishes in a couple of seconds.  There's a good chance the ump didn't really process everything that was happening until virtually the same time the runner touched the plate.

[SH0102]

It’s 8u and the umpire was “pressed” after the game?  Good lord, the coach should be worried about what flavor ice cream the kids want

[JonnyCat]

2 hours ago, SH0102 said:

It’s 8u and the umpire was “pressed” after the game?  Good lord, the coach should be worried about what flavor ice cream the kids want

That's the wrong attitude you have. Ice cream? That coach is obviously very smart, and sticking up for his players. At 8u, he already knows how big his players will get, how fast they'll be, that they'll continue with the game, what college they'll play for on scholarship, and their position in the draft. Don't deny the kids their pro contracts!

[The Man in Blue]

On 6/11/2022 at 9:46 PM, Guest Bill said:

8U travel.