Missed 3rd base on a HR CT VS NH Regional Final

[ArchAngel72]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUrm96dWh_4

This is the highlights unfortunately it does not show the hubub about the missed base.  The game coverage I am still looking for but from what I saw.

 

It appeared to me that the PU called him out not the 3BU for missing 3rd.   The only crappy replay from the 1st base side to me was not evident that he missed the base and they even went to review on it.  

 

Anyone else see this call ?  or can find it onlne?

 

[ArchAngel72]

OK the stuff starts around the 46 minute mark here  I found the full game

 

 

[Tborze]

1 hour ago, ArchAngel72 said:

OK the stuff starts around the 46 minute mark here  I found the full game

 

 

Doesn’t show the appeal. 

[ArchAngel72]

1 hour ago, Tborze said:

Doesn’t show the appeal. 

WOW  I never went and watched this version of it completely but I watched it broadcast on Sunday ? afternoon?  and it had it all.

 

I can't believe they edited that all out. What the heck. Kid hits a dinger they show pitcher get changed and then boom inning is over LMAO..

 

Ugh well guess I need to keep looking for the footage..

 

[beerguy55]

2 hours ago, ArchAngel72 said:

WOW  I never went and watched this version of it completely but I watched it broadcast on Sunday ? afternoon?  and it had it all.

 

I can't believe they edited that all out. What the heck. Kid hits a dinger they show pitcher get changed and then boom inning is over LMAO..

 

Ugh well guess I need to keep looking for the footage..

 

True - but you can hear the coach tell the new pitcher to do his warmups and then step off and appeal to third, and "we'll get that out"...you even hear an ump (I think) say "you're appealing?"  Funny hearing the announcers say "we'll explain everything when we get back" and then they edit that out too.   sheesh

[Velho]

ESPN app has the full game (i.e. not edited). @ArchAngel72 you're correct, it is PU who signals him out on the appeal. It then goes to replay and is upheld. They only show one replay angle and it's inconclusive. If he touched the bag it was with his left instep.

In the replay you can see a BU closely watching the touch. Since they knew it was going to be appealed (5+ minute delay between HR and appeal) maybe the crew conferenced, BU told PU it was a missed bag, and they had PU give the signal?

[ArchAngel72]

18 hours ago, beerguy55 said:

True - but you can hear the coach tell the new pitcher to do his warmups and then step off and appeal to third, and "we'll get that out"...you even hear an ump (I think) say "you're appealing?"  Funny hearing the announcers say "we'll explain everything when we get back" and then they edit that out too.   sheesh

 

14 hours ago, Velho said:

ESPN app has the full game (i.e. not edited). @ArchAngel72 you're correct, it is PU who signals him out on the appeal. It then goes to replay and is upheld. They only show one replay angle and it's inconclusive. If he touched the bag it was with his left instep.

In the replay you can see a BU closely watching the touch. Since they knew it was going to be appealed (5+ minute delay between HR and appeal) maybe the crew conferenced, BU told PU it was a missed bag, and they had PU give the signal?

 

Wow  Yeah so To me from the video replay its completely inconclusive.   You must be right though that the 3BU got a good shot of it and it WAS a miss.  

Just seemed really odd for PU to bang that out on the appeal.  

To me "That is not the way" 

It should have been the 3BU's call

Then a conference and replay.. 

Just seems a damned shame they did not cover that better with the cameras.

 

Edit:

It also seems REALLY SNEAKY  for ESPN to edit out the whole thing from that youtube video

Velho any chance you can link the game from the espn app some how?

 

[maven]

2 hours ago, ArchAngel72 said:

To me "That is not the way" 

 

[Velho]

3 hours ago, ArchAngel72 said:

Velho any chance you can link the game from the espn app some how?

Turns out I can. Looks like you need to log in with your cable provider. The HR in question is around 1 hour mark (it's the solo HR not the 3 run HR of back to back HRs).

Manchester, CT vs. Hooksett, NH (New England Regional Final) 

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[ArchAngel72]

1 hour ago, maven said:

 

Maven are you mocking me or telling me I am wrong that the PU has all the calls with regards to touch appeals at bases?

 

 

[Vegas_Ump]

Chances are that U2 went out to rule catch/no-catch or home run, etc.  When U2 goes, he stays out.

U3 cycles into the working area and takes runners and touches/plays at second.

PU rotates up the line to 3B to cover touches/plays at 3B.

U1 gets the BR touch at 1B and walks the line to make the calls at the plate if necessary.

The call was the PU's call to make, and he did!

Mike 

Las Vegas

[ArchAngel72]

12 minutes ago, Vegas_Ump said:

Chances are that U2 went out to rule catch/no-catch or home run, etc.  When U2 goes, he stays out.

U3 cycles into the working area and takes runners and touches/plays at second.

PU rotates up the line to 3B to cover touches/plays at 3B.

U1 gets the BR touch at 1B and walks the line to make the calls at the plate if necessary.

The call was the PU's call to make, and he did!

Mike 

Las Vegas

I went back and watched it and looked at the rotation 

 

Yeah U2 went out.  making me wonder where are the guys on the lines?  Maybe it was not a 6 man team.

U3 did move to the working area

 

SO with all that, that tells me no one had a really good look at the touch.  Well maybe U3 could see daylight between the cleat and the bag from the working area but I would think the angle would show him the inside of the shoe and block his view of the outside touching the bag.

I also wonder if the U3 "bird dogged" the miss which would have alerted the coach in the dugout more reason to ask for the appeal. From the dugout there should be NO way they see he missed it, based on angle and etc.

 

 

[Velho]

This conference call is really boring so adding some info for you  

Here was U3's look at the touch

See this other picture with shows the defense dugouts location.

 

 

[ArchAngel72]

Wow  they are really far down the line arent they..

 

[maven]

1 hour ago, ArchAngel72 said:

Maven are you mocking me or telling me I am wrong that the PU has all the calls with regards to touch appeals at bases?

Neither.

I know nothing about LL mechanics. In any standard mechanics with multiple umpires, it would be false to say that PU has all appeals.

[Vegas_Ump]

On 8/17/2021 at 10:35 AM, ArchAngel72 said:

I went back and watched it and looked at the rotation 

 

Yeah U2 went out.  making me wonder where are the guys on the lines?  Maybe it was not a 6 man team.

 

Yeah it was a four man, 60' mechanics.  It was PU's responsibility and call.

The PU returned to his position to deal with the next batter; the defense then executed an appeal (although they had to be reminded that the ball needed to be in play.)  The PU ruled on the appeal from his position behind the plate.  But during the play he was there at 3B.  

I have done this rotation a thousand times.  It's second nature to be up at 3B.

Mike

Las Vegas

[ArchAngel72]

1 hour ago, Vegas_Ump said:

Yeah it was a four man, 60' mechanics.  It was PU's responsibility and call.

The PU returned to his position to deal with the next batter; the defense then executed an appeal (although they had to be reminded that the ball needed to be in play.)  The PU ruled on the appeal from his position behind the plate.  But during the play he was there at 3B.  

I have done this rotation a thousand times.  It's second nature to be up at 3B.

Mike

Las Vegas

 

On 8/17/2021 at 1:54 PM, Velho said:

This conference call is really boring so adding some info for you  

Here was U3's look at the touch

See this other picture with shows the defense dugouts location.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Vegas_Ump said:

Yeah it was a four man, 60' mechanics.  It was PU's responsibility and call.

The PU returned to his position to deal with the next batter; the defense then executed an appeal (although they had to be reminded that the ball needed to be in play.)  The PU ruled on the appeal from his position behind the plate.  But during the play he was there at 3B.  

I have done this rotation a thousand times.  It's second nature to be up at 3B.

Mike

Las Vegas

 

top photo  that is 3U watching him round the bag  I dont see PU anywhere in the second photo...

 

[MadMax]

6 hours ago, Vegas_Ump said:

I have done this rotation a thousand times.  It's second nature to be up at 3B.

 

4 hours ago, ArchAngel72 said:

I don’t see PU anywhere in the second photo...

There are two factors at play here: 

1. Just because PU doesn’t physically rotate to close proximity of 3B, does not mean that he doesn’t have touch responsibility, nor that he didn’t observe a touch. There are plenty of situations or developing plays, even on full 90’ fields, wherein the PU would otherwise rotate to 3B… does not or chooses not to (thereby remaining at plate)… but still has touch of Runner of 3B. I’ve even had it in 3-man, with R1, and a fly ball to RF that U1 has to go out on. Either R1 gets a helluva jump (running on the pitch), or it turns out to be a HR… PU abandons the rotation, but still watches the touch of 3B by R1, even from the plate area. Granted, this is just an example, but this and other plays demonstrate that PU doesn’t have to be at 3B. 
2. It is likely that PU is acting or defacto UIC & CC, and that any appeals are administered through and by him, because a video review is sure to follow.