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Sunday, I was working a (local boys) 11U scrimmage for a coach friend of mine.  Ball hit to infield, overthrow at 1B, runner runs through the bag and turns to the left (exactly what you are thinking) and returns to the bag.  Coach yelling "tag him, tag him!", ....and I made the safe call.  Coach (not demeaning, just trying to communicate) yell out, he turned to the left!!  I replied, "you're right!"

Coach asked for time to make a pitching change.  While at the mound, he asked me about the call.  I told him that he will not find it in any rule book that the runner MUST turn to the right.  If the umpire adjudges that the runner made "a move" to 2B, then he would be liable to be put out.  He asked me what constitutes "a move".  To which I replied "you will know it when you see it".

Fast forward to last night. His son playing in a local rec ball game.  I'm in C, his son gets a base hit,  overran 1B, ball was overthrown and he "made a move" to 2B before Dad tells him to get back on the bag.  As soon as I saw this, I looked at him (1B coach) and as soon as I did, he says "I recognize it now!".   We both had a good chuckle about it and carried on with the game.

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I am looking for some feedback about our Association offering coaches and parents pre-season rule clinics, either in person or providing a handout next year. I figured a good starting point would be "baseball rule myths". For example, the hands are not part of the bat and such.

Has anybody held any rule clinics for coaches during the pre-season? How about for parents as well? Any feedback on what worked well (or not) would be great.

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@Mad Mike I think it is a great idea ... that won’t work worth a damn.

It sucks being a pragmatic optimist.  But things are looking up.

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1 hour ago, Mad Mike said:

I am looking for some feedback about our Association offering coaches and parents pre-season rule clinics, either in person or providing a handout next year. I figured a good starting point would be "baseball rule myths". For example, the hands are not part of the bat and such.

Has anybody held any rule clinics for coaches during the pre-season? How about for parents as well? Any feedback on what worked well (or not) would be great.

We do this every year for every high school contract we have--coaches only. Usually hit three different areas at a host HS. Mainly go over the NEW rules and show videos of how it will change the game. But always end up discussing "things" that happened the year prior and try to clarify. It makes a HUGE difference. Not sure what age group your talking about.

As for the parents I think that would be unmanageable and quite frankly a waste of time.

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On 7/22/2020 at 12:25 PM, Aging_Arbiter said:

"you will know it when you see it".

I always like using the line, but only with people that will remember where it originally came from, "it's like porn, you will know it when you see it."

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8 hours ago, BT_Blue said:

I always like using the line, but only with people that will remember where it originally came from, "it's like porn, you will know it when you see it."

That is a significant bastardization of Potter Stewart's opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio.

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13 hours ago, Kevin_K said:

That is a significant bastardization of Potter Stewart's opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio.

I'm aware.

8 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

So ... @BT_Blue got that line from watching Harry Potter porn?

 

 

 

;)

Hey... I dont judge anyone else's use of Internet Rule 34. Dont judge mine. :biggrin:

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On 7/23/2020 at 11:52 AM, Mad Mike said:

I am looking for some feedback about our Association offering coaches and parents pre-season rule clinics, either in person or providing a handout next year. I figured a good starting point would be "baseball rule myths". For example, the hands are not part of the bat and such.

Has anybody held any rule clinics for coaches during the pre-season? How about for parents as well? Any feedback on what worked well (or not) would be great.

Despite what others have said (and they may be right), I think this is a great idea. I believe LL requires a pre-season coaches meeting with the league UIC to do everything you suggest here. It's always bothered me how much rules certification is required of umpires...and only umpires. I've always thought coaches should be required to take tests/exams on the rules, too.

Some things about the game LL does well and I think this pre-season coaches/UIC meeting is one of them. ALL leagues should do this. If time and schedules permit, I would recommend having one meeting with all of the NEW coaches and one with all of the RETURNING coaches. Baseball rule myths is a good one for both audiences. There are many good lists online and you could make it a living thing where you adjust it each season. Obviously, you will want to review any new rules and or points of emphasis.

I would also speak with each of your league board members privately, one on one and ask them, "What kinds of problems have coaches and umpires had in this league historically?" This will also inform you about the nature of your presentation. Why waste time talking about stuff that is not a problem for your league?

We talk a lot on this forum about plate meetings...dos and don'ts. A common thread in today's game is the plate meeting is NOT a rules clinic. So, think heavily and talk with your fellow umpires in that league about what they see as problem areas with coaches. These meetings WOULD be the ideal time to have the..."Guys, we don't argue judgement calls. Judgement calls are strike/ball, safe/out and strike/ball. If you have a rules interpretation question, the manager and ONLY the manager should request time, receive time and then politely walk out of the dugout and address the umpire who made the call."

The younger the players are, generally the less experienced the coaches are. Maybe those coaches played, maybe they have never seen a baseball game in their lives. Most coaches of younger kids act badly towards umpires because they think that's appropriate or they are way too vicariously engaged in the game...or you have just a generally disrespectful person who enjoys antagonizing umpires at youth baseball games. Regardless, this is your opportunity to set the tone, set the standard for what is and what is not required when coaches engage umpires. "Some people, you just can't reach...so, you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. Now I don't like it any more than you men."

Review your entire meeting agenda and presentation with the league's Board of Directors. The president of the league and as many available Board members should attend the meetings. I've seen many league presidents, tournament directors and Board members talk a good game about, "We back our umpires in this league." and sadly, this is not always the case. But, by involving the Board in your presentation to the coaches, it helps get them in your corner should problems arise in the future. It puts the Board in a position when an adult is called on the carpet to say, "Now...we talked about this during pre-season clinics..."

Always...be...recruiting. Anytime you talk baseball with anyone, make sure they know you're an umpire, bluntly ask them if they are interested in umpiring. And this should include your coaches meetings. Baseball is a tight community everywhere. Tell coaches you need umpires...you never know, they might turn some prospects up for you. I would love to see a baseball league require ALL managers and coaches to umpire at least one game or pre-season scrimmage per season. Imagine how that might change a league's dynamics? Lastly, remember...what we permit, we promote. Coaches set the tone for their players and team parents and they need to conduct themselves accordingly. Nobody will remember the score of these games, they will remember how their mothers and fathers and other fans behaved themselves (or didn't) at the ballpark.

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