pitcher removed, not ejected

[pk2]

U13 state tournament,  pitcher and batter jawing at each other. 2-0 count, next pitch fastball high and inside.  Batter ducks more words exchanged.  Next pitch right between the shoulder blades.  

Batter down for a while but when he gets up.  Pitcher waves at him as he goes to first.  Umpire asks coach to remove player from pitching but not the game.  

Two questions, can an umpire do this?  Why wouldn't the umpire eject pitcher from game?  

I don't know what was said between batter and pitcher.     

[Replacematt]

15 minutes ago, pk2 said:

U13 state tournament,  pitcher and batter jawing at each other. 2-0 count, next pitch fastball high and inside.  Batter ducks more words exchanged.  Next pitch right between the shoulder blades.  

Batter down for a while but when he gets up.  Pitcher waves at him as he goes to first.  Umpire asks coach to remove player from pitching but not the game.  

Two questions, can an umpire do this?  Why wouldn't the umpire eject pitcher from game?  

I don't know what was said between batter and pitcher.     

1. No.

2. Because he's a F*#King idiot and/or doesn't want to do his job. (Guys who don't handle situations are my biggest pet peeve...can you tell?)

[Mudisfun]

I can always ask the coach to remove the player for infractions. He is not obligated to do so. I can then eject the player which costs him today and most likely the next scheduled game. 

In LL, I have asked the coach to remove a player for infractions such as bat throwing after warnings, or other unsportsmanlike behaviors... but this is a tool I only use for 12U and when the rule set allows for it. If I think the lesson will be heeded, then it is appropriate.

What you described above? Should be an ejection since it seems apparent that the hitting of the batter was intentional, especially with the waving bit after the fact.

[Lou B]

Sure sounds like the pitcher intentionally threw at/hit the batter, he's gone, no question about it. Waiving at the batter pretty much is a giveaway that it was intentional.

No way you can allow a pitcher to intentionally hit a better without a harsh penalty, Ejection 100% of the time.

[beerguy55]

26 minutes ago, Matt said:

1. No.

2. Because he's a F*#King idiot and/or doesn't want to do his job. (Guys who don't handle situations are my biggest pet peeve...can you tell?)

 

42 minutes ago, pk2 said:

Two questions, can an umpire do this?  Why wouldn't the umpire eject pitcher from game?  

 

44 minutes ago, pk2 said:

Umpire asks coach to remove player from pitching but not the game

The ump can "ask" literally anything he wants.   The operative word is "ask" as opposed to demand, instruct, direct, require, force, tell, etc.

He probably didn't want to do the paperwork.

[pk2]

Thanks for the responses, especially about not doing the paperwork.  My take away from this, there is now no record that the pitcher intentionally beaned a batter and my son spent the next 3 innings talking about retaliation.    The batter has had a mouth all season, but this was more about bat swinging, pitcher stepping off batter stepping out.  There was no history between the teams.  I just don't see a need to intentionally bean a kid.  Nor is it okay  to retaliate and potentially hurt the pitcher later in the game.   It would have been so much easier to toss him and end that situation.    The baseball God's sorted it out.  The beaned batter scored the go ahead run in the 4th inning and they lit up the relievers for 5 more in the next two innings.  

[yawetag]

That umpire failed throughout the whole at-bat. It would have never gotten to the HBP had he actually been protecting something with the cup he was wearing.

[LRZ]

Sometimes, and depending on the level, you can employ the "coach, are you going to take care of this or shall I?" approach. Words back and forth, followed by a deliberate HBP is not one of those times.

[The Man in Blue]

13 hours ago, Mudisfun said:

I can always ask the coach to remove the player for infractions. He is not obligated to do so. I can then eject the player which costs him today and most likely the next scheduled game. 

In LL, I have asked the coach to remove a player for infractions such as bat throwing after warnings, or other unsportsmanlike behaviors... but this is a tool I only use for 12U and when the rule set allows for it. If I think the lesson will be heeded, then it is appropriate.

What you described above? Should be an ejection since it seems apparent that the hitting of the batter was intentional, especially with the waving bit after the fact.

I started to be a smart@$$ and say “You can ask, but ...”

However, Mudisfun provides a very intelligent view of this.  I bow to him and will add this to my bag of magical umpire mind-tricks.  

[Umpire in Chief]

Agreed asking the coach to remove the kid in this situation is a not an option, he has to go.

But, asking is a useful tool in your umpiring arsenal. But you also have to be working with a coach who get's it and realizes you're doing him a favor. If you get a red ass coach and ask them to do it, you're now telling him how to coach, yadda yadda yadda, you're now the bad guy.