Does the run score

[Guest Mike C]

Bases are loaded. There is 1 out. A line drive it hit to center field. The center fielder drops the ball - it is an error. The runners begin to advance. The center fielder picks up the ball and throws to 3rd base to force the runner who was advancing from 2nd to 3rd (there are now 2 outs). The 3rd baseman then throws the ball to 2nd base to force the runner who was advancing from 1st to 2nd (there are now 3 outs). The runner who was initially on 3rd base crossed home plate right around the time of the 2nd out being recorded.

2 questions here...

#1. Since this was not a typical force-out double play, and an error was committed on the initial batted ball, does the run score?

#2. Is there any scenario in which Infield Fly Rule could have been called? Even though the ball was fielded by an outfielder, isn't the infield fly rule specifically in place to prevent the defense from dropping fly balls to create double plays.

[maven]

49 minutes ago, Guest Mike C said:

Is there any scenario in which Infield Fly Rule could have been called?

Yes: if the batter hits a fly ball that can be caught with ordinary effort by an infielder, when 1B and 2B are occupied w/ less than 2 outs.

49 minutes ago, Guest Mike C said:

isn't the infield fly rule specifically in place to prevent the defense from dropping fly balls to create double plays.

No: the infield fly rule is specifically in place to prevent infielders from dropping fly balls to create cheap double plays. That's not what happened in your play.

[Rich Ives]

20 minutes ago, Guest Mike C said:

Bases are loaded. There is 1 out. A line drive it hit to center field. The center fielder drops the ball - it is an error. The runners begin to advance. The center fielder picks up the ball and throws to 3rd base to force the runner who was advancing from 2nd to 3rd (there are now 2 outs). The 3rd baseman then throws the ball to 2nd base to force the runner who was advancing from 1st to 2nd (there are now 3 outs). The runner who was initially on 3rd base crossed home plate right around the time of the 2nd out being recorded.

2 questions here...

#1. Since this was not a typical force-out double play, and an error was committed on the initial batted ball, does the run score?

#2. Is there any scenario in which Infield Fly Rule could have been called? Even though the ball was fielded by an outfielder, isn't the infield fly rule specifically in place to prevent the defense from dropping fly balls to create double plays.

#1:  Any time the third out is  achieved on a force play (any force play) no run scores.

#2: Infield fly only applies to infielders and any outfielder who was stationed in the infield.  If the outfielder was in his normal place at the start then it cannot be an IFF. 

[noumpere]

42 minutes ago, Guest Mike C said:

#1. Since this was not a typical force-out double play, and an error was committed on the initial batted ball, does the run score?

#2. Is there any scenario in which Infield Fly Rule could have been called? Even though the ball was fielded by an outfielder, isn't the infield fly rule specifically in place to prevent the defense from dropping fly balls to create double plays.

1.  "Typical" doesn't matter in the rules.

2.  a. It was a line drive. b.  Any reasonable base running would have prevented the double play.  The rules are designed to protect the offense from (some) defensive chicanery -- not to protect the offense from its own stupidity.

[umpstu]

2 hours ago, Rich Ives said:

#1:  Any time the third out is  achieved on a force play (any force play) no run scores.

#2: Infield fly only applies to infielders and any outfielder who was stationed in the infield.  If the outfielder was in his normal place at the start then it cannot be an IFF. 

#2. Yes it can be an infield fly if an infielder could have caught it with ordinary effort.  If the infielder is camped underneath the fly and the outfielder is moving forward and calls him off it could very well be an infield fly.

[Rich Ives]

59 minutes ago, umpstu said:

#2. Yes it can be an infield fly if an infielder could have caught it with ordinary effort.  If the infielder is camped underneath the fly and the outfielder is moving forward and calls him off it could very well be an infield fly.

True but not in this case.

And the IFF would have been called before the wave-off in games with trained umpires.

The poster seems to be thinking any drop is bad and violates the intent if the IFF rule.

[beerguy55]

14 hours ago, Guest Mike C said:

Even though the ball was fielded by an outfielder, isn't the infield fly rule specifically in place to prevent the defense from dropping fly balls to create double plays.

The rule is in place to prevent the defense from dropping fly balls on purpose to create easy double plays where the offense is vulnerable.

Errors by center fielders that lead to TWO force outs are under the "SH*# happens" category, and under the "either the offense is really lazy, or just doesn't know what it's doing" category.   An offense that gets doubled off in this scenario deserves it - this is on the players, and the coaches.