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[Guest Andrew]

Bases loaded, 1 out.  Pop up behind the shortstop that drops in.  Umpires do not call infield fly rule.  Runner from third scores but left fielder threw to third and then to second for a double play which ended the inning.  Should the run count?

[Stk004]

No. The third out was a force out so no run scores. 

[Mudisfun]

Absolutely it should score... assuming the smart manager is out there talking to the umpire about the IFF and determining the reason it was not called. Depending on the answer will determine if the officials get together or if the manager is putting a P in the book for a rules misapplication assuming the criteria for IFF was actually present. 

If the criteria for IFF was missing, ex. no ordinary effort then, really awesome pop-up from a bunted ball then no, the run will not count. 

[noumpere]

The correct answer is going to depend on the rules code (because they have different ways of dealing with an undeclared, but valid infield fly), the timing of the events, and whether the criteria were met (which is in large part umpire judgment).

Criteria NOT met:  For all codes, this just becomes an inning ending double play.  No runs score.  See Stk004's answer above.

Criteria MET:

FED:  It's up to the teams to know that the situation and criteria were met.  So, the play becomes an infield fly -- BR is out.  That removes the force on the other runners so merely touching a base does not result in an out.  The first runner tagged (if any) becomes the third out.  If R3 scored before this tag, the run count; if R3 "scored" after the tag, the run does not count.

OBR (and, I think, NCAA): SInce the play itself resulted in a double play, it's reversed to and infield fly (BR out) and runners are placed where they would have been (umpire judgment) had the umpires correctly called it in the first place.  Usually, that's back at the original bases -- so, now bases loaded with two outs.

[BrianC14]

1 hour ago, Mudisfun said:

Absolutely it should score... assuming the smart manager is out there talking to the umpire about the IFF and determining the reason it was not called. Depending on the answer will determine if the officials get together or if the manager is putting a P in the book for a rules misapplication assuming the criteria for IFF was actually present. 

If the criteria for IFF was missing, ex. no ordinary effort then, really awesome pop-up from a bunted ball then no, the run will not count. 

Baltimore at Boston.   Result:  triple play (the 3rd out due to poor base running by the B/R).   

http://m.mlb.com/video/v1345406183/balbos-orioles-turn-a-triple-play-to-end-the-8th

[MT73]

We are assuming that the umpires blew the call.

Maybe not.

Since the ball landed behind the shortstop it is possible that the umpires did not feel that the criteria for an infield fly was met.

[Richvee]

7 hours ago, Guest Andrew said:

Pop up behind the shortstop that drops in.

What I "see" here is F6 running after the ball, back to the infield, never geting under it. Not ordinary effort IMO. Play stands. DP.  inning over, no run scores.

[ofhs93]

The level of play this occurs at often times plays a large role in my determination of the IFF being enforced. 12U and under Rec LL...VERY rarely is there such a thing as "ordinary effort" when it comes to anything hit in the air that is not directly at a player...lol. Honestly though...at *that* level...if the ball is not going to fall within the infield cut area (meaning NOT in any grass covered ares....then it often times can cause trouble due to lack of communication ect with the younger kids. Anything falling between the mound or home plate and any other fielder is often times what I like to call the Bermuda Triangle for the younger rec level kids....and the likely hood of a dbl play coming from such a situation with those kids is pretty rare. Just my 2 cents....