Dropped Third Strike Situation

[Storm13]

I had a situation the other night at a JV game that had never happen to me before and I had not clue how to handle it.  I would love to hear how others would have.

There was 1 outs and a 1-2 count on the batter with no one on base...a curve ball in the dirt that the batter check swings and it gets away from the catcher.  I gave the strike signal and announced "He Went" then showed a safe signal to indicate no catch on the strike.  The catcher goes and gets the ball and throws it back to the pitcher and the batter steps back in the box.  My partner and I just stood in our positions and after about 10 seconds (and the pitcher getting back on the rubber to take a sign) I re-stated "He Went".  At this point the catcher yells to the pitcher to throw to first and my partner called him out.  

I asked the catcher if he heard me and he said he didn't but my partner told me he heard me from the "A" position.

 

Any suggestions how to avoid this in the future?

[Rich Ives]

13 minutes ago, Storm13 said:

I had a situation the other night at a JV game that had never happen to me before and I had not clue how to handle it.  I would love to hear how others would have.

There was 1 outs and a 1-2 count on the batter with no one on base...a curve ball in the dirt that the batter check swings and it gets away from the catcher.  I gave the strike signal and announced "He Went" then showed a safe signal to indicate no catch on the strike.  The catcher goes and gets the ball and throws it back to the pitcher and the batter steps back in the box.  My partner and I just stood in our positions and after about 10 seconds (and the pitcher getting back on the rubber to take a sign) I re-stated "He Went".  At this point the catcher yells to the pitcher to throw to first and my partner called him out.  

I asked the catcher if he heard me and he said he didn't but my partner told me he heard me from the "A" position.

 

Any suggestions how to avoid this in the future?

Try saying "Strike three"

[HokieUmp]

Why not just say "No catch"?  That's the teaching I've seen - at least, that's what I remember, and I don't think any recent clinics have contradicted that.

[Storm13]

Just now, Rich Ives said:

Try saying "Strike three"

 

Just now, HokieUmp said:

Why not just say "No catch"?  That's the teaching I've seen - at least, that's what I remember, and I don't think any recent clinics have contradicted that.

Thank you both...I will probably do both of these in the future....I just thought the batter would know that if I said he swung it was strike three and that the catcher should know to throw down or tag for the out.

[ricka56]

Obviously you have low level skilled game. I have had plays where neither team knew what to do. I would repeat myself. "I have strike 3 (non-verbal point strike)...and no catch (non-verbal safe)". Rinse/repeat until someone figures it out. 

[Storm13]

25 minutes ago, ricka56 said:

Obviously you have low level skilled game. I have had plays where neither team knew what to do. I would repeat myself. "I have strike 3 (non-verbal point strike)...and no catch (non-verbal safe)". Rinse/repeat until someone figures it out. 

Thank you...I will do that from now on.  

[ALStripes17]

Thank you...I will do that from now on.  

Many prefer a point at the batter and a 'Yes, he did' then can follow that immediately with a safe mechanic and a verbal 'no catch' as you step away from the area in order to observe

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[udbrky]

What do you think about the pointing to first? It seems that it hasn't been adopted yet. 

The coaches didn't yell to the players?

[ALStripes17]

What do you think about the pointing to first? It seems that it hasn't been adopted yet. 

The coaches didn't yell to the players?

Pointing to first for what?

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[udbrky]

For dropped 3rd strike signal. I've heard discussion about using it. Googling isn't finding anything though.

 

This is what I was referring to. I've heard that mentioned a couple times lately, but thought it was being taught in schools more recently and trying to have standardized. 

 

Here's another place I see it mentioned:

http://www.umpire.org/vb/showpost.php?p=195325&postcount=1

 

It came up in our state clinic this weekend too.

[maineump]

3 minutes ago, udbrky said:

For dropped 3rd strike signal. I've heard discussion about using it. Googling isn't finding anything though.

Never heard of this before. Doesn't make sense.

If you point with right hand - looks like a strike call

Point with left - looks like asking partner on half-swing

Sort of why I don't point to 1B on ball 4.

[maven]

The crucial mechanic for strike 3 not legally caught is not what you do with your hands, it's what you do with your voice. The two people who need this info are not looking at you, and so it doesn't really matter what you signal.

So to communicate your ruling to those 2 players (batter and catcher), use your voice, and don't be shy. "Yes he did!" followed by "no catch!": if you verbalize it correctly, F9 will hear you.

F2 didn't hear you, so you probably weren't loud enough. Your partner hearing you, if he did, won't help you next time.

[acallemlikeiseeum]

On 3/23/2016 at 10:23 AM, Storm13 said:

I had a situation the other night at a JV game that had never happen to me before and I had not clue how to handle it.  I would love to hear how others would have.

There was 1 outs and a 1-2 count on the batter with no one on base...a curve ball in the dirt that the batter check swings and it gets away from the catcher.  I gave the strike signal and announced "He Went" then showed a safe signal to indicate no catch on the strike.  The catcher goes and gets the ball and throws it back to the pitcher and the batter steps back in the box.  My partner and I just stood in our positions and after about 10 seconds (and the pitcher getting back on the rubber to take a sign) I re-stated "He Went".  At this point the catcher yells to the pitcher to throw to first and my partner called him out.  

I asked the catcher if he heard me and he said he didn't but my partner told me he heard me from the "A" position.

 

Any suggestions how to avoid this in the future?

Verbalize "strike 3"?