Base award

[maven]

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?
 
SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.
 
RULING: (select all that apply)

 

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

[Mudisfun]

E - touched in fair but exited in foul.

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[noumpere]

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

 

Yes.

[Ump29]

 

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

 

Yes.

 

Good answer.

[blue23ll]

This topic is in the process of being beaten to death over on face book. 

[ElkOil]

A, C, G.

 

I would explain it to the coach by saying since the ball was touched in fair territory, it's a fair ball.  And a fair batted ball that travels over the fence in flight is a four-base award.

[blue23ll]

A fair ball that travels over the fence, in fair territory is a 4 base award. 

[ALStripes17]

A, C, E.

2 base award as the fair batted ball left the field in foul territory.

[umpstu]

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

 

SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.

 

RULING: (select all that apply)

 

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

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[blue23ll]

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[Replacematt]

Tap Tap,Tap .... is this thing working?

That's what she said.

[blue23ll]

Hold on, let me adjust my nutty buddy

[ZebraStripes]

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

 

SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.

 

RULING: (select all that apply)

 

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

Ball was touched in fair territory by F9, it is then a fair ball no matter what.  The ball went over the fence without touching the ground or anything to render it as not having been in flight when it left the field.  The ball did not hit the ground and it was not thrown, so I have this is a four base award.  Cansecoesque other than it going on the other side of a foul pole after bouncing off the player.  

[ALStripes17]

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.

RULING: (select all that apply)

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

Ball was touched in fair territory by F9, it is then a fair ball no matter what. The ball went over the fence without touching the ground or anything to render it as not having been in flight when it left the field. The ball did not hit the ground and it was not thrown, so I have this is a four base award. Cansecoesque other than it going on the other side of a foul pole after bouncing off the player.

So @ZebraStripes, if a line drive hits F5's glove (fair ball) and is deflected into the 3B line stands (in flight), would that also be a 4-base award?

[ElkOil]

 

 

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.

RULING: (select all that apply)

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

Ball was touched in fair territory by F9, it is then a fair ball no matter what. The ball went over the fence without touching the ground or anything to render it as not having been in flight when it left the field. The ball did not hit the ground and it was not thrown, so I have this is a four base award. Cansecoesque other than it going on the other side of a foul pole after bouncing off the player.

 

So @ZebraStripes, if a line drive hits F5's glove (fair ball) and is deflected into the 3B line stands (in flight), would that also be a 4-base award?

 

 

FED 8-3-3a:

 

Each runner is awarded: four bases if a fair ball goes over a fence in flight

 

The rule makes no differentiation about which fence, be it in fair or foul territory.  So by definition, the answer to your question would be yes, unless I'm missing something in the rule book.  Every fence delineates live-ball/dead-ball areas, and outfield fence is no exception, so my question would be:  why would it matter which fence?  They all represent the same thing on the field.  Just because the circumstance may seem crazy, it doesn't mean the rule doesn't apply equally.

 

That's my story and I'm sticking to it (until someone shows me why I'm wrong, of course.)

[ZebraStripes]

 

 

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.

RULING: (select all that apply)

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

Ball was touched in fair territory by F9, it is then a fair ball no matter what. The ball went over the fence without touching the ground or anything to render it as not having been in flight when it left the field. The ball did not hit the ground and it was not thrown, so I have this is a four base award. Cansecoesque other than it going on the other side of a foul pole after bouncing off the player.

 

So @ZebraStripes, if a line drive hits F5's glove (fair ball) and is deflected into the 3B line stands (in flight), would that also be a 4-base award?

 

Based on my memory of rules, I'd lean towards yes.  Based on my experience, that would be very little foul territory for a F5 to deflect in such a manner, but I'm sure stranger things have happened.

[ALStripes17]

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.

RULING: (select all that apply)

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

Ball was touched in fair territory by F9, it is then a fair ball no matter what. The ball went over the fence without touching the ground or anything to render it as not having been in flight when it left the field. The ball did not hit the ground and it was not thrown, so I have this is a four base award. Cansecoesque other than it going on the other side of a foul pole after bouncing off the player.

So @ZebraStripes, if a line drive hits F5's glove (fair ball) and is deflected into the 3B line stands (in flight), would that also be a 4-base award?

FED 8-3-3a:

Each runner is awarded: four bases if a fair ball goes over a fence in flight

The rule makes no differentiation about which fence, be it in fair or foul territory. So by definition, the answer to your question would be yes, unless I'm missing something in the rule book. Every fence delineates live-ball/dead-ball areas, and outfield fence is no exception, so my question would be: why would it matter which fence? They all represent the same thing on the field. Just because the circumstance may seem crazy, it doesn't mean the rule doesn't apply equally.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it (until someone shows me why I'm wrong, of course.)

Common sense will have to abide here.

Other than poor FED verbiage, you cannot award a HR to a batter when the batted ball (called fair due to touching) ends up out of play over a dugout.

[blue23ll]

 

 

 

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.

RULING: (select all that apply)

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

Ball was touched in fair territory by F9, it is then a fair ball no matter what. The ball went over the fence without touching the ground or anything to render it as not having been in flight when it left the field. The ball did not hit the ground and it was not thrown, so I have this is a four base award. Cansecoesque other than it going on the other side of a foul pole after bouncing off the player.

 

So @ZebraStripes, if a line drive hits F5's glove (fair ball) and is deflected into the 3B line stands (in flight), would that also be a 4-base award?

 

Based on my memory of rules, I'd lean towards yes.  Based on my experience, that would be very little foul territory for a F5 to deflect in such a manner, but I'm sure stranger things have happened.

 

Huh?

[ElkOil]

 

 

 

 

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.

RULING: (select all that apply)

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

Ball was touched in fair territory by F9, it is then a fair ball no matter what. The ball went over the fence without touching the ground or anything to render it as not having been in flight when it left the field. The ball did not hit the ground and it was not thrown, so I have this is a four base award. Cansecoesque other than it going on the other side of a foul pole after bouncing off the player.

 

So @ZebraStripes, if a line drive hits F5's glove (fair ball) and is deflected into the 3B line stands (in flight), would that also be a 4-base award?

 

FED 8-3-3a:

Each runner is awarded: four bases if a fair ball goes over a fence in flight

The rule makes no differentiation about which fence, be it in fair or foul territory. So by definition, the answer to your question would be yes, unless I'm missing something in the rule book. Every fence delineates live-ball/dead-ball areas, and outfield fence is no exception, so my question would be: why would it matter which fence? They all represent the same thing on the field. Just because the circumstance may seem crazy, it doesn't mean the rule doesn't apply equally.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it (until someone shows me why I'm wrong, of course.)

 

Common sense will have to abide here.

Other than poor FED verbiage, you cannot award a HR to a batter when the batted ball (called fair due to touching) ends up out of play over a dugout.

 

 

How would you support that ruling on the field?  I read your previous answer and would ask how you support your decision?  What rule would you cite?

[ALStripes17]

A fellow umpire sent this question to me. Can you answer and explain without looking it up?

SITUATION: B1 hits a high fly ball down the RF line. F9 goes into the corner to field the ball, which strikes his glove while over fair territory and bounces over the fence on the foul side of the pole.

RULING: (select all that apply)

(a) The ball left the field in flight.

(b) The ball did not leave the field in flight.

(c ) Fair ball.

(d) Foul ball.

(e) Two base award.

(f) Two base award for the ground rule double, plus one base for the deflection (if intentional).

(g) Four base award.

(h) The batter is out for puzzling the umpire.

Ball was touched in fair territory by F9, it is then a fair ball no matter what. The ball went over the fence without touching the ground or anything to render it as not having been in flight when it left the field. The ball did not hit the ground and it was not thrown, so I have this is a four base award. Cansecoesque other than it going on the other side of a foul pole after bouncing off the player.

So @ZebraStripes, if a line drive hits F5's glove (fair ball) and is deflected into the 3B line stands (in flight), would that also be a 4-base award?

FED 8-3-3a:

Each runner is awarded: four bases if a fair ball goes over a fence in flight

The rule makes no differentiation about which fence, be it in fair or foul territory. So by definition, the answer to your question would be yes, unless I'm missing something in the rule book. Every fence delineates live-ball/dead-ball areas, and outfield fence is no exception, so my question would be: why would it matter which fence? They all represent the same thing on the field. Just because the circumstance may seem crazy, it doesn't mean the rule doesn't apply equally.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it (until someone shows me why I'm wrong, of course.)

Common sense will have to abide here.

Other than poor FED verbiage, you cannot award a HR to a batter when the batted ball (called fair due to touching) ends up out of play over a dugout.

How would you support that ruling on the field? I read your previous answer and would ask how you support your decision? What rule would you cite?

This is going to sound crazy but follow me here.

Go read 8-4-2k where it says 'fair batted ball' ... then read 5.1.1 Situation N where it says that the runner is hit in foul territory so ball remains live.

Yes the ball is declared 'Fair' by rule, its status of being over foul territory when it goes out of play would put it under 2 base awards.

If you don't believe that, then good luck selling a HR on a ball that comes nowhere near the OF fence.

[MooseLoop]

OBR 7.05: Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance— (a) To home base, scoring a run, if a fair ball goes out of the playing field in flight and he touched all bases legally;

 

OBR 2.00: IN FLIGHT describes a batted, thrown, or pitched ball which has not yet touched the ground or some object other than a fielder.

 

FED's the same: 8-3-3a, 2-6-1.

[ElkOil]

OBR 7.05: Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance— (a) To home base, scoring a run, if a fair ball goes out of the playing field in flight and he touched all bases legally;

 

OBR 2.00: IN FLIGHT describes a batted, thrown, or pitched ball which has not yet touched the ground or some object other than a fielder.

 

FED's the same: 8-3-3a, 2-6-1.

 

I think 8-3-3a pretty much sums it up.  It's written in such a way that doesn't leave much room for an argument.

[ZebraStripes]

In an effort to educate myself:

7.05

 

(a) To home base, scoring a run, if a fair ball goes out of the playing field in flight and he touched all bases legally; or if a fair ball which, in the umpires judgment, would have gone out of the playing field in flight, is deflected by the act of a fielder in throwing his glove, cap, or any article of his apparel;

 

(f) Two bases, if a fair ball bounces or is deflected into the stands outside the first or third base foul lines; or if it goes through or under a field fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery or vines on the fence; or if it sticks in such fence, scoreboard, shrubbery or vines;

[ElkOil]

In an effort to educate myself:

7.05

 

(a) To home base, scoring a run, if a fair ball goes out of the playing field in flight and he touched all bases legally; or if a fair ball which, in the umpires judgment, would have gone out of the playing field in flight, is deflected by the act of a fielder in throwing his glove, cap, or any article of his apparel;

 

(f) Two bases, if a fair ball bounces or is deflected into the stands outside the first or third base foul lines; or if it goes through or under a field fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery or vines on the fence; or if it sticks in such fence, scoreboard, shrubbery or vines;

 

Well whatta ya' know.  

 

 

That is a good shrubbery.  I like the laurels, particularly.

 

Anyone?  Anyone?

[kylehutson]

 

In an effort to educate myself:

7.05

 

(a) To home base, scoring a run, if a fair ball goes out of the playing field in flight and he touched all bases legally; or if a fair ball which, in the umpires judgment, would have gone out of the playing field in flight, is deflected by the act of a fielder in throwing his glove, cap, or any article of his apparel;

 

(f) Two bases, if a fair ball bounces or is deflected into the stands outside the first or third base foul lines; or if it goes through or under a field fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery or vines on the fence; or if it sticks in such fence, scoreboard, shrubbery or vines;

 

Well whatta ya' know.  

 

 

That is a good shrubbery.  I like the laurels, particularly.

 

Anyone?  Anyone?

 

But there is one small problem...