Missed base on HR

[Pops]

I know there are multiple rules for retouching missed bases and how to appeal missed bases.  In this scenario, the batter hits a HR (over the fence) and misses 1B. When he reaches 3B, the coach tells him to go back and retouch first.  So he retouches 2B on his way back to 1B and then proceeds to touch each base again all the way to the plate.

 

During this process, is the ball dead or live? I am thinking that the defensive coach can not appeal the missed base even though the runner reached a base beyond the base that was missed.  Is there anything else I am missing here?

[Thunderheads]

home run over the fence = dead

[noumpere]

Yes, the ball is dead on the HR.

 

But, the defense can't make a dead ball appeal until all the awards (and that's what a home run is) have been fulfilled.

 

And, once the BR touched second, it was too late to (legally) correct his miss at first.  His actions of returning and then re-running the bases are of no effect.

 

Once the BR touches home / reaches the dugout (assuming nothing else happened), if the defense says "Hey -- he missed first" get the out.

[maven]

The answers to each of your questions — just provided by noumpere — can be found in the appeal rule, 8-2-6.
 

I am thinking that the defensive coach can not appeal the missed base even though the runner reached a base beyond the base that was missed.

 
Just on this bit: the defense can still appeal. The restriction triggered by the BR touching a base beyond the one missed after the ball becomes dead applies to HIM, not to the defense. He cannot legally correct his infraction at that point. He's still allowed to touch the missed base; but doing so does not correct the infraction.
 
So, when he's running around touching bases, you just watch. The defense might start their appeal too soon, in which case you say: "Wait till he's done running the bases!" Then hear the appeal and rule accordingly.

[maven]

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[Pops]

So if I'm understanding this properly, the HR is a dead ball. As the runner reached 2B, he committed an infraction (missing 1B) and can not correct this infraction by returning to 1B.  You do not let the defense appeal until the runner is done running the bases. Then after the appeal, you call him out.  (And probably you'll have an interesting discussion with the OC). Am I understanding this?

[noumpere]

So if I'm understanding this properly, the HR is a dead ball. As the runner reached 2B, he committed an infraction (missing 1B) and can not correct this infraction by returning to 1B.  You do not let the defense appeal until the runner is done running the bases. Then after the appeal, you call him out.  (And probably you'll have an interesting discussion with the OC). Am I understanding this?

All correct.

[Pops]

 

So if I'm understanding this properly, the HR is a dead ball. As the runner reached 2B, he committed an infraction (missing 1B) and can not correct this infraction by returning to 1B.  You do not let the defense appeal until the runner is done running the bases. Then after the appeal, you call him out.  (And probably you'll have an interesting discussion with the OC). Am I understanding this?

All correct.

 

Thanks.

[Thunderheads]

 

So if I'm understanding this properly, the HR is a dead ball. As the runner reached 2B, he committed an infraction (missing 1B) and can not correct this infraction by returning to 1B.  You do not let the defense appeal until the runner is done running the bases. Then after the appeal, you call him out.  (And probably you'll have an interesting discussion with the OC). Am I understanding this?

All correct.

 

He can't correct the infraction because he's advanced to the next base after the miss, ... again, correct?

[bam]

This is an important rule to know.

 

 Just not in this situation.

[noumpere]

 

 

So if I'm understanding this properly, the HR is a dead ball. As the runner reached 2B, he committed an infraction (missing 1B) and can not correct this infraction by returning to 1B.  You do not let the defense appeal until the runner is done running the bases. Then after the appeal, you call him out.  (And probably you'll have an interesting discussion with the OC). Am I understanding this?

All correct.

 

He can't correct the infraction because he's advanced to the next base after the miss, ... again, correct?

 

Correct.  If BR missed first, got 1" from second, and then went back to first, he's corrected his mistake.  ONce he touches second, he can't (legally) correct his mistake.

[Jimurray]

This is an important rule to know.

 

 Just not in this situation.

It's not what you know. It's what the defense knows. If they know enough to appeal then you have to know enough to rule on it.

[johnnyg08]

I would be surprised if a team would know that the runner, by going back to first after touching 2nd wasn't allowed by rule. I'd bet that they wouldn't appeal after they saw him go back and touch.

It would be awesome though if they knew that rule.

[JaxRolo]

I would be surprised if a team would know that the runner, by going back to first after touching 2nd wasn't allowed by rule. I'd bet that they wouldn't appeal after they saw him go back and touch.

It would be awesome though if they knew that rule.

True Dat

[bam]

That runner has got to miss first by a damn mile if I'm going to make that call.  If it's just me and the first base coach, there's no way I take the run off the board.  

[JaxRolo]

That runner has got to miss first by a damn mile if I'm going to make that call.  If it's just me and the first base coach, there's no way I take the run off the board.  

Agree. Lets make up our own rules!   

[Thunderheads]

That runner has got to miss first by a damn mile if I'm going to make that call.  If it's just me and the first base coach, there's no way I take the run off the board.  

No?  You mean to tell us that you wouldn't take that opportunity to inflict pain on the field?! :

[noumpere]

That runner has got to miss first by a damn mile if I'm going to make that call.  If it's just me and the first base coach, there's no way I take the run off the board.  

If it *is* just you and the 1bc, then the defense won't (likely) be making an appeal.

 

Conversely, if they do make an appeal, then it's likely that someone other than just you and the 1bc saw the play.

 

(I do recognize that they might just be fishing).

[Recontra]

I saw loads of missed bases last season (a few game changers/enders), and not one appeal. Don't know why coaches don't tell the boys on the bench that their job is to confirm every base is touched (to keep them engaged), but they don't. Nevertheless, if I've got a missed 1st base on a home run w/ a proper appeal, there's no way I'm not banging that out. In fact, my mechanics dictate that the BU pivot in from "A" and show that I'm watching every touch. I spend a lot of diligent dedicated time watching base touches. I don't care if it was just the 1st base coach and me who saw it. He was doing his job. I'm going to do mine. The BR didn't do his.  Not my problem.

 

I do have one question though.  In FED, why couldn't the head coach make a dead ball appeal of the BR missing 1st base as soon as he's touched 2nd? The ball is dead as soon as it goes over the fence. BR rounds 2nd, DM says, "He missed 1st base, we're appealing the missed base."  Why isn't that a proper appeal under FED rules? Seems like you'd actually be reducing the amount of post-play discussion, not increasing it. And if BR then retouches 2nd and 1st and goes home, are you saying there hasn't been a valid dead ball appeal of the missed base, so the skipper needs to appeal again?  That doesn't seem right. Of course in baseball, a lot of stuff that seems wrong is right.

[JaxRolo]

I saw loads of missed bases last season (a few game changers/enders), and not one appeal. Don't know why coaches don't tell the boys on the bench that their job is to confirm every base is touched (to keep them engaged), but they don't. Nevertheless, if I've got a missed 1st base on a home run w/ a proper appeal, there's no way I'm not banging that out. In fact, my mechanics dictate that the BU pivot in from "A" and show that I'm watching every touch. I spend a lot of diligent dedicated time watching base touches. I don't care if it was just the 1st base coach and me who saw it. He was doing his job. I'm going to do mine. The BR didn't do his.  Not my problem.

 

I do have one question though.  In FED, why couldn't the head coach make a dead ball appeal of the BR missing 1st base as soon as he's touched 2nd? The ball is dead as soon as it goes over the fence. BR rounds 2nd, DM says, "He missed 1st base, we're appealing the missed base."  Why isn't that a proper appeal under FED rules? Seems like you'd actually be reducing the amount of post-play discussion, not increasing it. And if BR then retouches 2nd and 1st and goes home, are you saying there hasn't been a valid dead ball appeal of the missed base, so the skipper needs to appeal again?  That doesn't seem right. Of course in baseball, a lot of stuff that seems wrong is right.

Someone mentioned it earlier but you have to wait till the runners finishes his award of 4 bases.

 

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