Check swing - no appeal

[Magic]

I was taught to make a call. If the pitch was a ball and I didn't think he offered, I say ball. If I am certain he didn't go, I am told to say Ball, He didn't go. If he went, it is a simple yes he did, while pointing at the batter with my left hand, and signaling strike with my right hand. I am not sure if it is right or wrong, but it is what my Association wants me to do. So that is what we do.

[UMP45]

 

 

Where I work, I rarely see PU give the "no, he didn't" verbal, so I can't remember ever pre-gaming it. Then I am caught off-guard when it happens and I'll admit that I once agreed with a no-swing call and then wondered if my agreement was influenced by his verbal...I dunno. "Surprise is an umpire's worst enemy" - JE

 

With more umpires using this mechanic (though I am not sure that it is taught in reputable clinics), this item should be added to our pre-game checklist to prevent BU from being surprised by its use. And if in the pregame, PU says "no, he didn't" means BU must agree, then you can take the time to shove that notion up his arse.

I guess Harry's and TUS aren't reputable!

Why would you disparage those two fine institutions of learning...I hear they are quite reputable.

 

Whether WUS, TUS or other clinics teach this mechanic, as I stated, I dunno.  Maybe some picker of nits will tell us.

 

I was being sarcastic. Sorry. You were the one who made reference to "reputable". I was trying to point out that it is taught at both.

[basejester]

I was taught to make a call. If the pitch was a ball and I didn't think he offered, I say ball. If I am certain he didn't go, I am told to say Ball, He didn't go. If he went, it is a simple yes he did, while pointing at the batter with my left hand, and signaling strike with my right hand. I am not sure if it is right or wrong, but it is what my Association wants me to do. So that is what we do.

In your association, if the PU says, "Ball, He didn't go," will he grant an appeal?  And if his partner says, "Yes, he did," has he breached association etiquette?

[grayhawk]

I was taught to make a call. If the pitch was a ball and I didn't think he offered, I say ball. If I am certain he didn't go, I am told to say Ball, He didn't go. If he went, it is a simple yes he did, while pointing at the batter with my left hand, and signaling strike with my right hand. I am not sure if it is right or wrong, but it is what my Association wants me to do. So that is what we do.

In your association, if the PU says, "Ball, He didn't go," will he grant an appeal? And if his partner says, "Yes, he did," has he breached association etiquette?

I'm in the same association, and the BU is to give what he's got.

FWIW, I prefer to avoid "no he didn't go" because I think it's cleaner to just verbalize "ball" and then go to my partner, if asked. If this means I get asked more, then so be it. It may mean we get more strikes and that's a good thing. I average getting asked less than once a game.

[Magic]

I was taught to make a call. If the pitch was a ball and I didn't think he offered, I say ball. If I am certain he didn't go, I am told to say Ball, He didn't go. If he went, it is a simple yes he did, while pointing at the batter with my left hand, and signaling strike with my right hand. I am not sure if it is right or wrong, but it is what my Association wants me to do. So that is what we do.

In your association, if the PU says, "Ball, He didn't go," will he grant an appeal? And if his partner says, "Yes, he did," has he breached association etiquette?

I'm in the same association, and the BU is to give what he's got.

FWIW, I prefer to avoid "no he didn't go" because I think it's cleaner to just verbalize "ball" and then go to my partner, if asked. If this means I get asked more, then so be it. It may mean we get more strikes and that's a good thing. I average getting asked less than once a game.

Correct. But if your partner says no he didn't go. You better be 1000% sure he went to call it.

[noumpere]

 

 

 

I was taught to make a call. If the pitch was a ball and I didn't think he offered, I say ball. If I am certain he didn't go, I am told to say Ball, He didn't go. If he went, it is a simple yes he did, while pointing at the batter with my left hand, and signaling strike with my right hand. I am not sure if it is right or wrong, but it is what my Association wants me to do. So that is what we do.

In your association, if the PU says, "Ball, He didn't go," will he grant an appeal? And if his partner says, "Yes, he did," has he breached association etiquette?

 

I'm in the same association, and the BU is to give what he's got.

FWIW, I prefer to avoid "no he didn't go" because I think it's cleaner to just verbalize "ball" and then go to my partner, if asked. If this means I get asked more, then so be it. It may mean we get more strikes and that's a good thing. I average getting asked less than once a game.

 

Correct. But if your partner says no he didn't go. You better be 1000% sure he went to call it.

 

I've never been uncertain as the base umpoire whether he went or not.  If I have to be "more than certain" if PU uses thje "no he didn't go" mechanic, then either (a) the PU shouldn't use it or (b) he shouldn't come to me if he does.

 

Since under some codes he HAS to come to me, that rules out (b) and leaves only (a) -- it's why I don't think it should be used / caught.

[JaxRolo]

I was taught to make a call. If the pitch was a ball and I didn't think he offered, I say ball. If I am certain he didn't go, I am told to say Ball, He didn't go. If he went, it is a simple yes he did, while pointing at the batter with my left hand, and signaling strike with my right hand. I am not sure if it is right or wrong, but it is what my Association wants me to do. So that is what we do.

In your association, if the PU says, "Ball, He didn't go," will he grant an appeal? And if his partner says, "Yes, he did," has he breached association etiquette?

I'm in the same association, and the BU is to give what he's got.

FWIW, I prefer to avoid "no he didn't go" because I think it's cleaner to just verbalize "ball" and then go to my partner, if asked. If this means I get asked more, then so be it. It may mean we get more strikes and that's a good thing. I average getting asked less than once a game.

Correct. But if your partner says no he didn't go. You better be 1000% sure he went to call it.

Why?