Missed base appeal

[Guest Coach_Bill]

13u AAU tournament using Fed rules. runners and 2nd & 3rd, 2 outs. Batter hits triple, misses 2nd base.

Defensive Coach calls time and takes trip to the mound. Plate umpire then puts ball in play. P steps off, appeals missed base at second. Base umpire calls out. Umpires get together and score 1 of the two runs.

Wouldn't the defensive coach calling time and taking a trip to the mound, negate the right to appeal? In which case both runs score. If appeal is allowed, would any runs score?

Thanks

[UmpJM]

Bill,

 

The defense only loses its right to appeal if they initiate a pitch or play before attempting the appeal.

 

Requesting time and having a conference does NOT negate the defense's opportunity to appeal. Under FED rules (solely) they could have just made a verbal appeal that the BR missed 2B once time was granted.

 

Since the runner was not forced to the base he missed, it is a time play for determining whether the runs score or not. Sincvce the appeal was made after the R3 & R2 had already scored, both runs scored by the preceding runners should have counted.

 

JM

[spiritump]

time play--score both runs batter out on appeal; the reason both runs score is because the batter runner made first base and the runs scored before the 3rd out --the coach could of just asked for an appeal of second base--if the coach would open a  rule book  he would  know this and know he got screwed out of a run 

[maven]

...and the conference does not negate the right to appeal.

I'd guess the umpires made up a rule: runs scoring before the base was missed count.

[JaxRolo]

Score both runs. @Jocko must have been working that game

[rabbit]

Excellent situation and very plausible

[Richvee]

I'd love to hear the rational for scoring one of the two runners. 

[Richvee]

Bill,

 

The defense only loses its right to appeal if they initiate a pitch or play before attempting the appeal.

 

Requesting time and having a conference does NOT negate the defense's opportunity to appeal. Under FED rules (solely) they could have just made a verbal appeal that the BR missed 2B once time was granted.

 

Since the runner was not forced to the base he missed, it is a time play for determining whether the runs score or not. Sincvce the appeal was made after the R3 & R2 had already scored, both runs scored by the preceding runners should have counted.

 

JM

Only thing I will add is the verbal appeal must be made during a time out, by a player or a coach. 

[bleacher_bum]

I'd love to hear the rational for scoring one of the two runners. 

I agree.  I wonder what rule they were basing the one run scoring.  Seems like they would have allowed both or none (depending on what the logic was, or what rule they messed up on).

[Richvee]

 

I'd love to hear the rational for scoring one of the two runners. 

I agree.  I wonder what rule they were basing the one run scoring.  Seems like they would have allowed both or none (depending on what the logic was, or what rule they messed up on).

 

Here's my theory. Unfortunately, you have to start by assuming we've got 2 umpires who just don't know the rules. So, they have 2nd and 3rd, so, BR reached 1st, and was out for missing 2nd, so all runners get to advance one base? I know it's a stretch..and it's sad to think 2 umpires consulted and came up with an answer based on something along these lines.   

[Jimurray]

I'd love to hear the rational for scoring one of the two runners.

I agree.  I wonder what rule they were basing the one run scoring.  Seems like they would have allowed both or none (depending on what the logic was, or what rule they messed up on).

Here's my theory. Unfortunately, you have to start by assuming we've got 2 umpires who just don't know the rules. So, they have 2nd and 3rd, so, BR reached 1st, and was out for missing 2nd, so all runners get to advance one base? I know it's a stretch..and it's sad to think 2 umpires consulted and came up with an answer based on something along these lines.   

I think we should find/ change this phrase;"2 umpires who just don't know the rules. ", to " two guys who bought a blue shirt at Academy" throughout any relevant posts.

[grayhawk]

The thing is - this is an AAU tournament.  These guys are getting paid - too much, apparently.

[SoCal Lurker]

 

 

I'd love to hear the rational for scoring one of the two runners. 

I agree.  I wonder what rule they were basing the one run scoring.  Seems like they would have allowed both or none (depending on what the logic was, or what rule they messed up on).

 

Here's my theory. Unfortunately, you have to start by assuming we've got 2 umpires who just don't know the rules. So, they have 2nd and 3rd, so, BR reached 1st, and was out for missing 2nd, so all runners get to advance one base? I know it's a stretch..and it's sad to think 2 umpires consulted and came up with an answer based on something along these lines.   

 

 

I'd bet they got cofused on how the time rule works, and were using the time the base was missed instead of the time the appeal was made.  (I'd even go so far as to suspect that one of the two was pretty sure that this was wrong, but the other guy was so insistent that he let it go and assumed the insistent guy actually knew the rule . . . )

[mhoffman]

I'd love to hear the rational for scoring one of the two runners. 

 

LMAO me too, they went to the timing play of when it occurred not when appeal happened apparently and the runner at 2nd must have been SLOWWWWWW, hey at least they got one run HAHA wow scary actually SMH in disbelief