"Try and keep a coach in the game, if possible"

[umpstu]

 

I don't think the statement "Try and keep a coach in the game, if possible" is as absurd as it's made out to be.  The better umpires usually have fewer ejections.  Obviously they're usually better officials, but beyond that they do a better job of talking to coaches and handling the situation and preventing that situation where keeping a coach in the game is not possible. 

I agree with your theory BUT that statment is usally uttered by some kissa*&s TD or league official so that he does not have to back an umpire after an ejction.

As posted before these guys try to keep everyone happy BUT the umpires.

Just like children it will lead to more misbehaving down the road when RATS know they can act like buttheads AND get by with it.

 

I worked in a summer collegiate league away from home in 2004. Good ball, but I couldn't sleep as the sun was up 24 hours a day and my body wouldn't adjust.  Guess what I got tired of hearing from other umpires?   They loved to sit around and brag about how many ejections they have and had. If you want to impress me, tell me how you were able to keep a volatile coach in a game by handling a situation in a better manner instead of being a redass.  Maybe get calls right so you don't have to run someone.  Generally if you hear the whole crowd moaning about your strike zone then your strike zone may not be going too well and you need to adjust it.  Sure, sometimes they have to go, but don't think it makes you a good umpire because you eject somebody. 

[BigUmpire]

 

 

I don't think the statement "Try and keep a coach in the game, if possible" is as absurd as it's made out to be.  The better umpires usually have fewer ejections.  Obviously they're usually better officials, but beyond that they do a better job of talking to coaches and handling the situation and preventing that situation where keeping a coach in the game is not possible. 

I agree with your theory BUT that statment is usally uttered by some kissa*&s TD or league official so that he does not have to back an umpire after an ejction.

As posted before these guys try to keep everyone happy BUT the umpires.

Just like children it will lead to more misbehaving down the road when RATS know they can act like buttheads AND get by with it.

 

I worked in a summer collegiate league away from home in 2004. Good ball, but I couldn't sleep as the sun was up 24 hours a day and my body wouldn't adjust.  Guess what I got tired of hearing from other umpires?   They loved to sit around and brag about how many ejections they have and had. If you want to impress me, tell me how you were able to keep a volatile coach in a game by handling a situation in a better manner instead of being a redass.  Maybe get calls right so you don't have to run someone.  Generally if you hear the whole crowd moaning about your strike zone then your strike zone may not be going too well and you need to adjust it.  Sure, sometimes they have to go, but don't think it makes you a good umpire because you eject somebody. 

 

I agree with all of what you said.

Come to Georgia and do some tournament ball.

Different world.

[James Walker]

i just say ok and change nothing about what i do. I don't look to throw people out, but i wont shy away from it if I'm forced to.

This is the correct way to handle it.

 

Any time I get words of advice or direction from someone "in charge" (TD, UIC, AD, assignor, etc.) that I don't really feel comfortable following, I simply nod and give lipservice, then go about calling the game however the hell I feel like.  Similar to a coach coming up to you during a game and asking you to watch for or call X, Y, or Z.  "Sure thing coach, I'll take a look at it."  Then promptly call the game the same way that I have been all along.

 

If the person "in charge" doesn't like how I do things, they are free to not hire me back or send me home after the game.  So far I have never had anything like that happen.

This is where you try to find one on his team first. People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

[James Walker]

I don't think the statement "Try and keep a coach in the game, if possible" is as absurd as it's made out to be.  The better umpires usually have fewer ejections.  Obviously they're usually better officials, but beyond that they do a better job of talking to coaches and handling the situation and preventing that situation where keeping a coach in the game is not possible.

I agree with your theory BUT that statment is usally uttered by some kissa*&s TD or league official so that he does not have to back an umpire after an ejction.

As posted before these guys try to keep everyone happy BUT the umpires.

Just like children it will lead to more misbehaving down the road when RATS know they can act like buttheads AND get by with it.

I worked in a summer collegiate league away from home in 2004. Good ball, but I couldn't sleep as the sun was up 24 hours a day and my body wouldn't adjust.  Guess what I got tired of hearing from other umpires?   They loved to sit around and brag about how many ejections they have and had. If you want to impress me, tell me how you were able to keep a volatile coach in a game by handling a situation in a better manner instead of being a redass.  Maybe get calls right so you don't have to run someone.  Generally if you hear the whole crowd moaning about your strike zone then your strike zone may not be going too well and you need to adjust it.  Sure, sometimes they have to go, but don't think it makes you a good umpire because you eject somebody. 

The other side of the coin. Guys who go out looking for a toss every game. These guys are almost as bad as the wont toss bunch. Only saving grace is they will take care of business when needed. Both sides put us in a bad light.

[umpstu]

 

 

 

I don't think the statement "Try and keep a coach in the game, if possible" is as absurd as it's made out to be.  The better umpires usually have fewer ejections.  Obviously they're usually better officials, but beyond that they do a better job of talking to coaches and handling the situation and preventing that situation where keeping a coach in the game is not possible. 

I agree with your theory BUT that statment is usally uttered by some kissa*&s TD or league official so that he does not have to back an umpire after an ejction.

As posted before these guys try to keep everyone happy BUT the umpires.

Just like children it will lead to more misbehaving down the road when RATS know they can act like buttheads AND get by with it.

 

I worked in a summer collegiate league away from home in 2004. Good ball, but I couldn't sleep as the sun was up 24 hours a day and my body wouldn't adjust.  Guess what I got tired of hearing from other umpires?   They loved to sit around and brag about how many ejections they have and had. If you want to impress me, tell me how you were able to keep a volatile coach in a game by handling a situation in a better manner instead of being a redass.  Maybe get calls right so you don't have to run someone.  Generally if you hear the whole crowd moaning about your strike zone then your strike zone may not be going too well and you need to adjust it.  Sure, sometimes they have to go, but don't think it makes you a good umpire because you eject somebody. 

 

I agree with all of what you said.

Come to Georgia and do some tournament ball.

Different world.

 

I understand that. That is one reason i don't like doing adult or legion. HOBBY COACHES SUCK. They don't know anything about baseball other than playing ten years of little league and high school ball makes you the best possible coach in the world. Real coaches hate those guys.

[alsommers]

Agreed. We saw a final four ncaa basketball official toss a hall of fame basketball coach Saturday night.  Why is he good and respected official? Maybe because he will do toss a coach if necessary.

[BT_Blue]

Still have yet to see the play that Beahiem(sic) lost his mind on. But from what I have heard it was pretty egregious.

[scrounge]

Still have yet to see the play that Beahiem(sic) lost his mind on. But from what I have heard it was pretty egregious.

 

It wasn't egregious at all, IMO it was the right call. The Duke player had legal guarding position before any upward motion started and it was a charge, even under this year's rules. Certainly close enough to be a 50/50 call.

 

And it didn't even end the game, there were 10 secs left, Duke was up by 2 and shooting poorly at the foul line all night. Since it was an offensive foul, there weren't going to be any free throws for Duke, so a throw-in would follow. Syr could have stolen the inbounds pass or quickly fouled. But no, the insane monkey just had to run to mid-court ripping off his suit jacket like a madman. The T's sealed the game, not the foul. He just had to throw a tantrum. Because it's all about the Boeheim.

[BRUMP]

 

Still have yet to see the play that Beahiem(sic) lost his mind on. But from what I have heard it was pretty egregious.

 

It wasn't egregious at all, IMO it was the right call. The Duke player had legal guarding position before any upward motion started and it was a charge, even under this year's rules. Certainly close enough to be a 50/50 call.

 

And it didn't even end the game, there were 10 secs left, Duke was up by 2 and shooting poorly at the foul line all night. Since it was an offensive foul, there weren't going to be any free throws for Duke, so a throw-in would follow. Syr could have stolen the inbounds pass or quickly fouled. But no, the insane monkey just had to run to mid-court ripping off his suit jacket like a madman. The T's sealed the game, not the foul. He just had to throw a tantrum. Because it's all about the Boeheim.

 

 

while i agree he ended the game…..boeheim is not one to blow his stack….in 38 yrs of being the syracuse HC this is his first regular season EJ

[PGOLDEN88]

 

 

Still have yet to see the play that Beahiem(sic) lost his mind on. But from what I have heard it was pretty egregious.

 

It wasn't egregious at all, IMO it was the right call. The Duke player had legal guarding position before any upward motion started and it was a charge, even under this year's rules. Certainly close enough to be a 50/50 call.

 

And it didn't even end the game, there were 10 secs left, Duke was up by 2 and shooting poorly at the foul line all night. Since it was an offensive foul, there weren't going to be any free throws for Duke, so a throw-in would follow. Syr could have stolen the inbounds pass or quickly fouled. But no, the insane monkey just had to run to mid-court ripping off his suit jacket like a madman. The T's sealed the game, not the foul. He just had to throw a tantrum. Because it's all about the Boeheim.

 

 

while i agree he ended the game…..boeheim is not one to blow his stack….in 38 yrs of being the syracuse HC this is his first regular season EJ

 

Found it:

I don't know enough about CBK to judge whether it was the right call or not. It does seem like the technical was warranted for Boeheim coming onto the court and the EJ for giving the business.

[James Walker]

You can hear Dicky V. say that a coach has a right to act like that. I call bull $h!t... No one has a right to act like that. No matter how bad a call is, it's still a human being on the other end of that call. I don't care who you are, you come at me like that, making an a$$ of yourself, you're done. Period.

As I told a coach when he asked why I tossed him.... "My wife doesn't get in my face and yell at me, why would I let you?"(This was weeks after the toss.)

[ricka56]

If the person "in charge" doesn't like how I do things, they are free to not hire me back or send me home after the game.  So far I have never had anything like that happen.

I once thought my days at this complex that i'd worked for ten years was over, after I EJ a player. The coach was pissed, protested and wouldn't let us resume play until the protest was heard. The new property owner/TD came down, heard both sides and then sided with me (while I was present), the EJ stood. I went back to HP to resume the game, but there was still an argument going on between the HC and TD.

 

Then the owner/TD came to HP and asked me if I would do him a favor and rescind the EJ...he even cited that this team/organization spends lots of money with them and he wanted to protect that. I was shocked. After all this hulabaloo, he thought I was going to say, "nevermind on the EJ". I told him, if you're asking me to rescind the EJ, the answer is no. If he was telling me to rescind the EJ, then he was going to have to find someone else to finish the game...I could see, he was now seeing red, and I thought that would be my last game. But no, he left in a huff, we resumed play, and I still get plenty of assignments.

 

If you have to overlook EJ'able misbehavior in youth sports, its time to find another hobby.

[BigUmpire]

RAT coaches, money hungry TDs and sissyass umpires are ruining this sport!

[BalkHawk]

Amen, you better have big brass ones.

[Toucs1977]

Boeheim was upset, because just a bit eatlier in the game the officials called it the other way against him. The call was right. The earlier call was way wrong. Not a Syracuse fan. Just clarifying. I don't mind ejecting people. It's their choice not mine. I almost never have to though.

[Celerion]

First thought was what Jax already said:  Coaches eject themselves.

 

"Try to keep coaches in the game, if possible," makes as much sense as "try and call runners safe, if possible."   

 

 

i just say ok and change nothing about what i do. I don't look to throw people out, but i wont shy away from it if I'm forced to.

 

I personally agree with what these two gentleman and most of everyone else are also saying, coaches have to make an effort to get them selves ejected.   I don't go on the diamond looking to eject coaches or players but if they meet the requirements to eject, then I will eject them without any hard feelings. 

 

A coach or played as to do something to get ejected but sometimes a coach might be trying to "protect his player/s" (keep them in the game) by getting thrown out instead.   For example, I player might be upset about a call at the plate, and instead of waiting for the player to get ejected for arguing the call, the coach very well might come out to try to get the umpirs attention away from the player while another coach or player gets the arguing player back to the dugout.    In this case, its important to remember why the coach may have come out in the first place.

 

That being said, if the coach or player gives you multiple reasons to toss them, don't be over lenient.  It just gives them the idea that they can continue the same thing with other umpires and causes issues down the way.   If someone fits the reasons to eject, "all aboard the parking lot train; now leaving on track nine.  See you later."

[FearNot]

I think they are referring to not tossing the coach on a quick thought. At a recent clinic I attended they covered a similar topic. They talked about giving the coach a little bit of rope to hang himself by letting him act a little bit nuts and you keep your cool. This lets everyone see that your not a RedA$$ along with you tried to not toss the clown but he was acting like a clown! Don't get me wrong, he doesn't always get "A little bit of rope to hang himself." if  his actions are of the wall, send the Rat on his way.

 

Best thing to be know as is, He's a nice guy but don't piss him off!