FED test questions

[JaxRolo]

I have the opportunity to give some input on what test questions I would like to see in the test this year. So I am asking for your help on this. So what question would you like to see asked on the test?

[alex7]

definition of a catch.  Believe it's been in there before, but always a good one.  Something like:  "The centerfielder runs down a deep fly ball, takes 6 steps, crashes into the left fielder, and then the ball pops out and hits the ground.  Is this an out?"

 

Question that will distinguish knowing the different between a BR who, after beating out a groundball on an overthrow, takes a step towards 2nd before returning to 1st (making himself available to be put out) vs a BR in the same situation merely turning around counter-clockwise (towards his left) and going back to 1st.

 

Obstruction vs Interference as far as when the play is killed and when it remains live.  

 

Knowing no throw needs to be made to get a BI call:  "On a steal of 2nd, F2 cocks his arm back and attempts to throw the ball to 2nd base, but stops because the batter steps across the plate after swinging and missing.  F2 does not throw the ball.  Is this batter's interference?"

[BuckeyeMike]

Uncaught 3rd strike scenario.   Something where the pitch hits the dirt but F2 gloves the ball.  Kind of goes with definition of a catch as stated above.

[mstaylor]

What a player be restricted for? Too many believe he can be restricted as a warning instead of tossing, when actually it is only  for illegal sub.

[Jimurray]

Pitcher going to the mouth scenarios.Ball, Balk or nothing.

[alex7]

and when you think you've reached your fill...even MORE obstruction and interference questions.   

 

"Pitcher attempts to pick off a runner at 1st base.  The first baseman is completely blocking R1's path to the base.  The pickoff attempt is successful, but you call obstruction. Where do you place R1?"

[Jimurray]

Pitcher going to the mouth scenarios.Ball, Balk or nothing.

Replying to my own post. While I referenced balk in my suggested question/s, I don't espouse the FED ruling. But they espouse it so we should know how they want it called.

[ricka56]

<sup>Here's one stolen from a different source.
FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).
b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.
c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.
d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.</sup>
 

[DVA7130]

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

Throw in a "goes round second but does not retouch while attempting to return to first" to really make it a party.

On another note, lots of good baseball rules questions, but a lack of FED specific questions.

[alex7]

FED specific: mound visits. Too many coaches still don't know they can make multiple visits to same pitcher in same inning without consequence.

Pitcher taken out, placed at 1b, wants to re-enter as pitcher later on in the game. Some believe this can't be done multiple times.

[grayhawk]

Legal pitching positions (hybrid stance, where pivot foot can be, hands must set at or below chin, etc)

DH rule

FPSR (with emphasis on pop-up slides and sliding past the bag - when those are legal and when they are not)

Legal catches in relation to DBT (i.e., no catch and carry)

Base awards

Speed-up rules (if applicable in your state)

Illegal bat penalties

[mstaylor]

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.}

^{FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

 

c and d for Fed

[grayhawk]

 

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.}

^{FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

 

c and d for Fed

 

 

I agree with d, but disagree with c (for Fed):

 

8-3-5:  When a runner, who is returning to touch a base after a batted ball has been caught is prevented from doing so because a thrown live ball has become dead (5-1-1g), his award shall be from the base occupied at the time of the pitch.

[Jimurray]

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.}

^{FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

c and d for Fed

 

I agree with d, but disagree with c (for Fed):

 

8-3-5:  When a runner, who is returning to touch a base after a batted ball has been caught is prevented from doing so because a thrown live ball has become dead (5-1-1g), his award shall be from the base occupied at the time of the pitch.

And this 2010 NFHS rule interp would prove you right:

SITUATION 11: R1 is on third and R2 on first with one out. B4 hits a sinking line drive to center field. R1 tags properly and goes home, while R2 is off with the hit. F8 makes a great catch. R2 is beyond second base as F8 throws back to first in an attempt to double up R2. The ball goes into the dugout with R2 still between second base and third base. R2 touches second base and goes back to touch first base. RULING: The ball is dead and R1’s run will count. R2 will be awarded two bases from the base he had at the time of the pitch (first base), so he will be awarded third base. If the defense properly appeals R2 being beyond second base at the time the ball went dead, R2 will be declared out. R1’s run would still count. (5-1-1g-3, 8-2-5, 8-2-6d-1, 8-4-2q)

[ricka56]

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.}

^{FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

 

 

Pretty sure D is correct for Fed via 5-2-2b1

[mstaylor]

 

 

If the defense properly appeals R2 being beyond second base at the time the ball went dead, R2 will be declared out. R1’s run would still count. (5-1-1g-3, 8-2-5, 8-2-6d-1, 8-4-2q) 

That part seems to support what I said. What am I missing?

[grayhawk]

 

 

 

If the defense properly appeals R2 being beyond second base at the time the ball went dead, R2 will be declared out. R1’s run would still count. (5-1-1g-3, 8-2-5, 8-2-6d-1, 8-4-2q) 

That part seems to support what I said. What am I missing?

 

 

It supports "d".  You also said "c" was correct for Fed, but the rule I posted and the interp that Jim posted indicate otherwise.

[mstaylor]

OK, you're right, I was thinking backwards. Looking for a rock.

[Richvee]

 

 

 

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.}

^{FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

c and d for Fed

 

 

I agree with d, but disagree with c (for Fed):

 

8-3-5:  When a runner, who is returning to touch a base after a batted ball has been caught is prevented from doing so because a thrown live ball has become dead (5-1-1g), his award shall be from the base occupied at the time of the pitch.

 

And this 2010 NFHS rule interp would prove you right:

SITUATION 11: R1 is on third and R2 on first with one out. B4 hits a sinking line drive to center field. R1 tags properly and goes home, while R2 is off with the hit. F8 makes a great catch. R2 is beyond second base as F8 throws back to first in an attempt to double up R2. The ball goes into the dugout with R2 still between second base and third base. R2 touches second base and goes back to touch first base. RULING: The ball is dead and R1’s run will count. R2 will be awarded two bases from the base he had at the time of the pitch (first base), so he will be awarded third base. If the defense properly appeals R2 being beyond second base at the time the ball went dead, R2 will be declared out. R1’s run would still count. (5-1-1g-3, 8-2-5, 8-2-6d-1, 8-4-2q)

 

That's a great case play. It takes into account 4 rules, clearly spells out the correct interps, and leaves no doubt on how the play should be called.  Too bad they're not all written this well. 

[alex7]

Except I'm confused about the "R2 will be awarded two bases from the base he had at the time of the pitch (first base)" as a throw from an OF is a time of throw award.  

[grayhawk]

Except I'm confused about the "R2 will be awarded two bases from the base he had at the time of the pitch (first base)" as a throw from an OF is a time of throw award.  

 

Fed makes an exception to that in 8-3-5 for caught batted balls and runner's returning.  I suppose it is to prevent confusion of where the award should be if they are on or beyond the base they left too soon when the throw left the fielder's hand.

[Richvee]

What is the ruling on this case play in OBR? I know as long as R1 has retouched 2nd on his way back to 1st before the ball enters DBT he may legally retouch 1st. But if he's past 2nd TOT, what base is he awarded under OBR? 

[grayhawk]

What is the ruling on this case play in OBR? I know as long as R1 has retouched 2nd on his way back to 1st before the ball enters DBT he may legally retouch 1st. But if he's past 2nd TOT, what base is he awarded under OBR? 

 

In OBR, the runner can be on or beyond the base they left too soon when the ball becomes dead and still legally retouch.  They could not legally retouch only if they touch the next base from where they are at AFTER the ball becomes dead.  So in the case play above, with R1 already on 2B when the ball enters DBT, as long as he doesn't touch third base, he can legally return to first.  This is one difference from Fed.

 

Since the runner was on or beyond 2B at TOT, then the umpire should award the runner home.  If the runner goes back and touches first base, the umpire should then revise the award to third base.  The runner will then need to touch second on his way to third.  If the runner does not go back to retouch first, once he touches third base, he cannot legally return and would be out subject to proper appeal once the ball is put back into play.

[Richvee]

 

What is the ruling on this case play in OBR? I know as long as R1 has retouched 2nd on his way back to 1st before the ball enters DBT he may legally retouch 1st. But if he's past 2nd TOT, what base is he awarded under OBR? 

 

In OBR, the runner can be on or beyond the base they left too soon when the ball becomes dead and still legally retouch.  They could not legally retouch only if they touch the next base from where they are at AFTER the ball becomes dead.  So in the case play above, with R1 already on 2B when the ball enters DBT, as long as he doesn't touch third base, he can legally return to first.  This is one difference from Fed.

 

Since the runner was on or beyond 2B at TOT, then the umpire should award the runner home.  If the runner goes back and touches first base, the umpire should then revise the award to third base.  The runner will then need to touch second on his way to third.  If the runner does not go back to retouch first, once he touches third base, he cannot legally return and would be out subject to proper appeal once the ball is put back into play.

 

perfect. Thanks

[JaxRolo]

So after all the great discussions we had on this here is my original answer given at our meeting; This question had the most incorrect answers during out teat at the meeting Answer B Once the throw (attempt to put out a runner) from the catcher does not retire the runner...time is called and interference enforced. Although we know this is a designed play by defense...umpires don't rule on designed plays...but on action. Catcher's action is a throw toward 2nd base. If ball dumps into the outfield on the throw...same thing. Call time immediately at that point and enforce the interference. Rule 7-3-5 Penalty "When an attempt to put out a runner at any other base is unsuccessful, the batter is out and all runners must return to bases occupied at the time of the pitch."