FED test questions

[alex7]

So after all the great discussions we had on this here is my original answer given at our meeting; This question had the most incorrect answers during out teat at the meeting Answer B Once the throw (attempt to put out a runner) from the catcher does not retire the runner...time is called and interference enforced. Although we know this is a designed play by defense...umpires don't rule on designed plays...but on action. Catcher's action is a throw toward 2nd base. If ball dumps into the outfield on the throw...same thing. Call time immediately at that point and enforce the interference. Rule 7-3-5 Penalty "When an attempt to put out a runner at any other base is unsuccessful, the batter is out and all runners must return to bases occupied at the time of the pitch."

 

I think this is in one of the "What Would You Do?" threads, right?

[hill2933]

 

 

 

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.}

^{FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

c and d for Fed

 

 

I agree with d, but disagree with c (for Fed):

 

8-3-5:  When a runner, who is returning to touch a base after a batted ball has been caught is prevented from doing so because a thrown live ball has become dead (5-1-1g), his award shall be from the base occupied at the time of the pitch.

 

And this 2010 NFHS rule interp would prove you right:

SITUATION 11: R1 is on third and R2 on first with one out. B4 hits a sinking line drive to center field. R1 tags properly and goes home, while R2 is off with the hit. F8 makes a great catch. R2 is beyond second base as F8 throws back to first in an attempt to double up R2. The ball goes into the dugout with R2 still between second base and third base. R2 touches second base and goes back to touch first base. RULING: The ball is dead and R1’s run will count. R2 will be awarded two bases from the base he had at the time of the pitch (first base), so he will be awarded third base. If the defense properly appeals R2 being beyond second base at the time the ball went dead, R2 will be declared out. R1’s run would still count. (5-1-1g-3, 8-2-5, 8-2-6d-1, 8-4-2q)

 

Just trying to wrap my head around this play. R1 breaking on the pitch when B2 hits deep fly to F7 who makes catch with R1 between 2nd and 3rd. R1 realizing there is a catch turns to retouch and return to 1st and would beat throw back to 1st. Why would F7 not just throw the ball into the seats before R1 retouched 2nd? If he can now not leagally return to 1st and would be ruled out on appeal this seems like it penalizes the offense for a defensive bad throw.

Am I not thinking about this correctly or missing something?

[grayhawk]

 

 

 

 

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.}

^{FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

c and d for Fed

 

 

I agree with d, but disagree with c (for Fed):

 

8-3-5:  When a runner, who is returning to touch a base after a batted ball has been caught is prevented from doing so because a thrown live ball has become dead (5-1-1g), his award shall be from the base occupied at the time of the pitch.

 

And this 2010 NFHS rule interp would prove you right:

SITUATION 11: R1 is on third and R2 on first with one out. B4 hits a sinking line drive to center field. R1 tags properly and goes home, while R2 is off with the hit. F8 makes a great catch. R2 is beyond second base as F8 throws back to first in an attempt to double up R2. The ball goes into the dugout with R2 still between second base and third base. R2 touches second base and goes back to touch first base. RULING: The ball is dead and R1’s run will count. R2 will be awarded two bases from the base he had at the time of the pitch (first base), so he will be awarded third base. If the defense properly appeals R2 being beyond second base at the time the ball went dead, R2 will be declared out. R1’s run would still count. (5-1-1g-3, 8-2-5, 8-2-6d-1, 8-4-2q)

 

Just trying to wrap my head around this play. R1 breaking on the pitch when B2 hits deep fly to F7 who makes catch with R1 between 2nd and 3rd. R1 realizing there is a catch turns to retouch and return to 1st and would beat throw back to 1st. Why would F7 not just throw the ball into the seats before R1 retouched 2nd? If he can now not leagally return to 1st and would be ruled out on appeal this seems like it penalizes the offense for a defensive bad throw.

Am I not thinking about this correctly or missing something?

 

 

Because there is a rule that prevents him from gaining this advantage.  If a fielder deliberately throws a ball into DBT in this situation, the runner shall be allowed to retouch and carry out his award, and would still be safe upon appeal.  I don't have my books with me, so hopefully someone else can post the relevant Fed cite.

[Jimurray]

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

c and d for Fed

 

I agree with d, but disagree with c (for Fed):

 

8-3-5:  When a runner, who is returning to touch a base after a batted ball has been caught is prevented from doing so because a thrown live ball has become dead (5-1-1g), his award shall be from the base occupied at the time of the pitch.

And this 2010 NFHS rule interp would prove you right:

SITUATION 11: R1 is on third and R2 on first with one out. B4 hits a sinking line drive to center field. R1 tags properly and goes home, while R2 is off with the hit. F8 makes a great catch. R2 is beyond second base as F8 throws back to first in an attempt to double up R2. The ball goes into the dugout with R2 still between second base and third base. R2 touches second base and goes back to touch first base. RULING: The ball is dead and R1’s run will count. R2 will be awarded two bases from the base he had at the time of the pitch (first base), so he will be awarded third base. If the defense properly appeals R2 being beyond second base at the time the ball went dead, R2 will be declared out. R1’s run would still count. (5-1-1g-3, 8-2-5, 8-2-6d-1, 8-4-2q)

Just trying to wrap my head around this play. R1 breaking on the pitch when B2 hits deep fly to F7 who makes catch with R1 between 2nd and 3rd. R1 realizing there is a catch turns to retouch and return to 1st and would beat throw back to 1st. Why would F7 not just throw the ball into the seats before R1 retouched 2nd? If he can now not leagally return to 1st and would be ruled out on appeal this seems like it penalizes the offense for a defensive bad throw.

Am I not thinking about this correctly or missing something?

 

Because there is a rule that prevents him from gaining this advantage.  If a fielder deliberately throws a ball into DBT in this situation, the runner shall be allowed to retouch and carry out his award, and would still be safe upon appeal.  I don't have my books with me, so hopefully someone else can post the relevant Fed cite.

8-3-3-d:

d. one base if a pitch or any throw by the pitcher from his pitching position on his plate goes into a stand or bench or over or through or lodges in a fence or backstop or touches a spectator or lodges in an umpire's or catcher's equipment; or with less than two outs, the batter hits a fair or foul ball (fly or line drive) which is caught by a fielder, who then leaves the field of play by stepping with both feet or by falling into a bench, dugout, stand, bleacher or over any boundary or barrier such as a fence, rope, chalk line or pre-game determined imaginary boundary line. A runner shall not be declared out if the fielder deliberately throws or carries the ball into dead ball territory to prevent that runner who has touched or advanced beyond a succeeding base from returning to a missed base or a base left too soon. Award the runner two bases. This allows the runner(s) to correct any base-running error. Defense may still appeal the play.

[hill2933]

 

 

 

 

 

 

^{Here's one stolen from a different source.FED Rules. No outs. R1 is running on the pitch. The batter lines out to F9. F9 throws the ball into the 1st base dugout trying to double-up R1. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R1 was standing on 2nd base.}

a. The umpire should initially award R1 home. If R1 then retreats and retouches 1st base, the umpire shall change the award to 3rd base. R1 still must touch 2nd base on his way to 3rd (last time by).

b. The umpire awards R1 3rd base. If R1 retouches 1st base, then 2nd and 3rd, he will be called safe on appeal.

c. If R1 is on or beyond 2nd base at the time of F9's throw, he is awarded home.

d. R1 cannot legally return to touch 1st base.

c and d for Fed  

I agree with d, but disagree with c (for Fed):

 

8-3-5:  When a runner, who is returning to touch a base after a batted ball has been caught is prevented from doing so because a thrown live ball has become dead (5-1-1g), his award shall be from the base occupied at the time of the pitch.

And this 2010 NFHS rule interp would prove you right:

SITUATION 11: R1 is on third and R2 on first with one out. B4 hits a sinking line drive to center field. R1 tags properly and goes home, while R2 is off with the hit. F8 makes a great catch. R2 is beyond second base as F8 throws back to first in an attempt to double up R2. The ball goes into the dugout with R2 still between second base and third base. R2 touches second base and goes back to touch first base. RULING: The ball is dead and R1’s run will count. R2 will be awarded two bases from the base he had at the time of the pitch (first base), so he will be awarded third base. If the defense properly appeals R2 being beyond second base at the time the ball went dead, R2 will be declared out. R1’s run would still count. (5-1-1g-3, 8-2-5, 8-2-6d-1, 8-4-2q) Just trying to wrap my head around this play. R1 breaking on the pitch when B2 hits deep fly to F7 who makes catch with R1 between 2nd and 3rd. R1 realizing there is a catch turns to retouch and return to 1st and would beat throw back to 1st. Why would F7 not just throw the ball into the seats before R1 retouched 2nd? If he can now not leagally return to 1st and would be ruled out on appeal this seems like it penalizes the offense for a defensive bad throw.

Am I not thinking about this correctly or missing something?  

Because there is a rule that prevents him from gaining this advantage.  If a fielder deliberately throws a ball into DBT in this situation, the runner shall be allowed to retouch and carry out his award, and would still be safe upon appeal.  I don't have my books with me, so hopefully someone else can post the relevant Fed cite.

8-3-3-d:

d. one base if a pitch or any throw by the pitcher from his pitching position on his plate goes into a stand or bench or over or through or lodges in a fence or backstop or touches a spectator or lodges in an umpire's or catcher's equipment; or with less than two outs, the batter hits a fair or foul ball (fly or line drive) which is caught by a fielder, who then leaves the field of play by stepping with both feet or by falling into a bench, dugout, stand, bleacher or over any boundary or barrier such as a fence, rope, chalk line or pre-game determined imaginary boundary line. A runner shall not be declared out if the fielder deliberately throws or carries the ball into dead ball territory to prevent that runner who has touched or advanced beyond a succeeding base from returning to a missed base or a base left too soon. Award the runner two bases. This allows the runner(s) to correct any base-running error. Defense may still appeal the play

 

Thanks just running it through in my head. That would be an S**tstorm either way.