Must slide?

[th3]

If R1 goes into 2nd standing up and impedes the fielders throw or attempt to throw to 1st, do we have INT? FED and OBR please. I don't mean barreling into fielder - just staying upright. Thanks

[Thunderheads]

If R1 goes into 2nd standing up and impedes the fielders throw or attempt to throw to 1st, do we have INT? FED and OBR please. I don't mean barreling into fielder - just staying upright. Thanks

He can go in standing up as long as he doesn't do anything to impede, meaning, his arms are down and he goes straight at the bag ....

OBR, he's going to get drilled w/ a ball ...

FED, he does not have to slide as long as he doesn't interfere, ...it's purely a HTBT

[mstaylor]

If it truly interfered, yes, however, standing up is not interference on it's own. As Rich has very clearly pointed out the middle infielder needs to learn to clear the base to turn the ball to first. 

[soapbox]

The OP is referencing an 18U wood bat league played under FED.  Coach wanted INT from my partner and didn't get it.  Came to me and I basically let him say his piece without responding.  So it surely took away the chance of a DP, but R1 didn't put hands up, just stayed upright.  Now the coach did say next time it happens to drill R1 loud enough so I can hear it.  I let it go knowing he was just trying to irritate me.

[BigUmp56]

I may be wrong, but I think Dixie Youth Baseball has a "must slide" rule. It's the only one I've heard of that does.

 

Quite a few coaches believe that the FED FPSR is a "must slide" rule. It's not. What it says is that *IF* a runner chooses to slide, he must slide legally.

 

Tim.

[maven]

For FED, 8-4-2b includes a provision that allows the umpire to rule INT when a runner "illegally alters the actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play."

 

As others have mentioned, the runner does NOT have to slide, but if the fielder has to alter his play to work around the non-sliding runner, FED wants that called INT.

 

Unlike OBR, where you'd expect such a runner to get drilled, FED doesn't want runners drilled. There's just not much a runner can do to "break up 2" in FED, since even getting in the way is INT.

[UmpJM]

In a FED (or NCAA) game, if the forced runner comes in "standing up" and alters the play or makes contact with the pivot man, he has violated the FPSR. The ball is dead, he is out, the BR is out, any other runners return to their TOP base.

 

As Tim says he is not REQUIRED to slide, but if he chooses not to slide he IS required to get out of the way.

 

JM

[Thunderheads]

In a FED (or NCAA) game, if the forced runner comes in "standing up" and alters the play or makes contact with the pivot man, he has violated the FPSR. The ball is dead, he is out, the BR is out, any other runners return to their TOP base.

 

As Tim says he is not REQUIRED to slide, but if he chooses not to slide he IS required to get out of the way.

 

JM

John, can you site that "required to get out of the way" for FED for me?  My book's at home , sorry

[maven]

Jeff, it's in my post. If the fielder has to alter his play to throw around the non-sliding runner, that's a violation. Turn the prohibition around, and you have a requirement to get out of the way.

[UmpJM]

Jeff,

 

From FED 8-4-2b:

 

"does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters actions of a fielder....".

 

The phrase "does not legally slide" includes

 

1. Sliding illegally

2. Not sliding at all.

 

8-4-2f reinforces this:

 

"...fails to execute a legal slide, or does not attempt to avoid the fielder or the play on a force play at any base.".

 

JM

[Thunderheads]

Jeff,

 

From FED 8-4-2b:

 

"does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters actions of a fielder....".

 

The phrase "does not legally slide" includes

 

1. Sliding illegally

2. Not sliding at all.

 

8-4-2f reinforces this:

 

"...fails to execute a legal slide, or does not attempt to avoid the fielder or the play on a force play at any base.".

 

JM

THAT is what I was looking for!  Thanks John ....

 

@maven, thanks, but I was looking for verbiage

 

Thanks though

[noumpere]

In a FED (or NCAA) game, if the forced runner comes in "standing up" and alters the play or makes contact with the pivot man, he has violated the FPSR. The ball is dead, he is out, the BR is out, any other runners return to their TOP base.

 

As Tim says he is not REQUIRED to slide, but if he chooses not to slide he IS required to get out of the way.

 

JM

As I teach it "slide or run away" (and if the fielder is already off to the side then running straight to the base is running away)

[JHSump]

Had a play like this last night.

 

Varsity HS game.  Fed rules.  R1, ground ball to F4, flips to F6, who is coming across the bag.  F6 ends up to the outfield side of a direct line between 1B and 2B.  This was not a hard hit ground ball and the back-handed flip from F4 was somewhat long distance.  F6 looked at 1B and just held onto the ball.  Meanwhile, R1 was out by a mile and just trotted across 2B, toward LF.  

 

DC wanted me to call interference.

 

I did not.  Looked to me that there was no alteration of any play by the F4 or F6, given the actions of R1.  Looked pretty obvious to me that F6 just decided not to throw to 1B.

[grayhawk]

Why did he want interference? Your subject title suggests that he thinks R1 was required to slide - is that what he said? As described, sounds like you made the right. Edit: Just realized that you didn't start this thread, so you didn't pick the title.

[basejester]

Jeff,

 

From FED 8-4-2b:

 

"does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters actions of a fielder....".

 

How do we differentiate between legally and illegally altering the actions of a fielder?  It seems the rule is kicking the can down the road.

[maven]

Jeff,

From FED 8-4-2b:

"does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters actions of a fielder....".

How do we differentiate between legally and illegally altering the actions of a fielder? It seems the rule is kicking the can down the road.

Legally sliding can legally alter the pattern of play. You need "illegally alters" because of the "or."

[Dash Riprock]

In a FED (or NCAA) game, if the forced runner comes in "standing up" and alters the play or makes contact with the pivot man, he has violated the FPSR. The ball is dead, he is out, the BR is out, any other runners return to their TOP base.

 

As Tim says he is not REQUIRED to slide, but if he chooses not to slide he IS required to get out of the way.

 

JM

Precisely.  Slide (legally) or veer off.

[Jimurray]

If it truly interfered, yes, however, standing up is not interference on it's own. As Rich has very clearly pointed out the middle infielder needs to learn to clear the base to turn the ball to first.

They should learn that for OBR and NCAA but in FED they don't need to. In FED if the fielder chooses to throw from on top of the base and, as others have posted, the runner goes in standing up and interfers it's a FPSR violation. Interestingly, in NCAA, the runner must slide but can pop up, so the pivot man should clear the base.

[noumpere]

 

In a FED (or NCAA) game, if the forced runner comes in "standing up" and alters the play or makes contact with the pivot man, he has violated the FPSR. The ball is dead, he is out, the BR is out, any other runners return to their TOP base.

 

As Tim says he is not REQUIRED to slide, but if he chooses not to slide he IS required to get out of the way.

 

JM

Precisely.  Slide (legally) or veer off.

 

veer off in a direction away from the fielder.