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JaxRolo

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So i am sitting at work and turned on the CDP Webcam and the first game I turned on they had at least a 10 minute plate meeting. PU went on and on.

 

Then after the the plate meeting he talked to the catcher for 3-4 minutes before he started to let him warm up the pitcher.

 

As they are warming up he is walking all over the field pointing at things and on and on.

 

And worst of all he is wearing grey ball bags! :shakehead:

 

 

Guys a plate meeting should not take anymore than a couple of minutes. Get the game started!!!

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What I got out of this story= I'm not the only one who watches random CDP games while bored at work!!!

JaxRolo
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So i am sitting at work and turned on the CDP Webcam and the first game I turned on they had at least a 10 minute plate meeting. PU went on and on.   Then after the the plate meeting he talked to th

UMP45
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Yes. But the website says they are "professionally" trained!

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What I got out of this story= I'm not the only one who watches random CDP games while bored at work!!!

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JaxRolo

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Changed to a different game and there is PU with the indicator on his Right Hand! :smachhead:

 

Left Handers should be banned from all sporting activities!!!! :wave:

JaxRolo

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I am done watching CDP games today! Yikes.

 

I am no expert by any means! But guys really?!?! I am just getting more and more frustrated watching the guys umpiring.

 

The last thing I saw was:

 

No one on. Grounder to F6. Throw to 1st.  Ball is overthrow. Where is PU??? By the pitchers mound. :shakehead:   BU is chasing after the ball in foul territory. :no:

 

I will say that maybe BU was covering for PU when PU was out of position.

mjr_2013

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I will say these are outliers compared to what I saw while at CDP, but they do exist.

 

 

 

 

No one on. Grounder to F6. Throw to 1st.  Ball is overthrow. Where is PU??? By the pitchers mound. :shakehead:   BU is chasing after the ball in foul territory. :no:

 

I will say that maybe BU was covering for PU when PU was out of position.

 

THIS is something unique... In the umpire's meeting, they tried to teach us this weird as hell rotation...

 

SHARP ground ball to the outfield where you don't think you can get to the inside without getting hit by the ball... BU goes into foul territory to make the call, PU runs to second and has calls at 2nd and 3rd, BU has all out of play and then rotates home for any call there.

 

Now, they announce the crews directly after this meeting. They announced ours, and we started walking to a picnic table to set up our schedule... While walking, our crew chief tells us "That rotation they just taught us? Forget it... Bust your ass inside just like every other clinic or camp you will ever go to will teach you"

 

I wonder if they taught this mechanic again, and this crew, instead of eliminating it, expanded it for some reason.

blue23ll

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Then for some reason. Nobody on. BU is in B  :shrug:

I didn't know Carl Childress did CDP games!! 

No one on. Grounder to F6. Throw to 1st.  Ball is overthrow. Where is PU??? By the pitchers mound. :shakehead:   BU is chasing after the ball in foul territory. :no:

 

I will say that maybe BU was covering for PU when PU was out of position.

This is the 'oh, crap' rotation.

wbeene13

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I will say these are outliers compared to what I saw while at CDP, but they do exist.

 

 

 

 

No one on. Grounder to F6. Throw to 1st.  Ball is overthrow. Where is PU??? By the pitchers mound. :shakehead:   BU is chasing after the ball in foul territory. :no:

 

I will say that maybe BU was covering for PU when PU was out of position.

 

THIS is something unique... In the umpire's meeting, they tried to teach us this weird as hell rotation...

 

SHARP ground ball to the outfield where you don't think you can get to the inside without getting hit by the ball... BU goes into foul territory to make the call, PU runs to second and has calls at 2nd and 3rd, BU has all out of play and then rotates home for any call there.

 

Now, they announce the crews directly after this meeting. They announced ours, and we started walking to a picnic table to set up our schedule... While walking, our crew chief tells us "That rotation they just taught us? Forget it... Bust your ass inside just like every other clinic or camp you will ever go to will teach you"

 

I wonder if they taught this mechanic again, and this crew, instead of eliminating it, expanded it for some reason.

I have a umpire buddy up there right now week 6 and he called me after the umpire meeting and told me about this rediculous rotation.  I will be up there week 7 and will laugh my butt off when they try to tell us to do this rediculousness!

mjr_2013

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I will say these are outliers compared to what I saw while at CDP, but they do exist.

 

 

 

 

No one on. Grounder to F6. Throw to 1st.  Ball is overthrow. Where is PU??? By the pitchers mound. :shakehead:   BU is chasing after the ball in foul territory. :no:

 

I will say that maybe BU was covering for PU when PU was out of position.

 

THIS is something unique... In the umpire's meeting, they tried to teach us this weird as hell rotation...

 

SHARP ground ball to the outfield where you don't think you can get to the inside without getting hit by the ball... BU goes into foul territory to make the call, PU runs to second and has calls at 2nd and 3rd, BU has all out of play and then rotates home for any call there.

 

Now, they announce the crews directly after this meeting. They announced ours, and we started walking to a picnic table to set up our schedule... While walking, our crew chief tells us "That rotation they just taught us? Forget it... Bust your ass inside just like every other clinic or camp you will ever go to will teach you"

 

I wonder if they taught this mechanic again, and this crew, instead of eliminating it, expanded it for some reason.

I have a umpire buddy up there right now week 6 and he called me after the umpire meeting and told me about this rediculous rotation.  I will be up there week 7 and will laugh my butt off when they try to tell us to do this rediculousness!

 

 

Many guys were looking around like :WTF . In hindsight it was pretty funny.

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MadMax

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It isn't the grounders to F5 or F6 that are the problems, it's the liners to F9 (or the rare one to a cannon-toting F8) that are the impetus for this weird rotation.

 

I worked a game as BU where of the 36 outs recorded, 8 of them were F9 to F3, and 1 was F8 to F3 (like I said, the cannon). The two reasons they encourage / demonstrate this rotation hinge around (umpire) awareness and speed, as well as the short dimensions of the field relative to the talents of some of these 12 year olds.

 

Bases empty, and a shot goes at about eye-height between F3 and F4, and then drops and skips towards F9. If it was a grounder that F3 or F4 could handle, you (as BU) would take your step or two in onto the infield dirt, away from the line, but since it has cleared the infielders so fast, you're stepping right into the firing line. If it was a fly ball, you'd do your pivot with your eyes on the BR, trusting that your PU has the catch call... but it's not. You're now stuck. So, we're encouraged to wait at A until the throw from F9 to F3 is made; the PU is to come up the line as normal, and start to bend in towards what would be B. The reception of the ball at 1B is still the BU's call, but if there's an overthrow, the PU is in position to take the BR to 2B and on to 3B if needed, and the BU is to rotate down the line to Home _if_ the ball is thrown around and there is a play at the plate. 

 

This is the only time this rotation is implemented.

 

The F8 to F3 put-out was done with nobody on, off a scoop-job. If I had stepped even a few steps into the infield dirt, I'd be picking a ball out of my skull. The call was a banger.

 

At another game on another week (I was there for 4 weeks), we had this exact scenario play out, and while this rotation is very unorthodox, it worked perfectly. The hit went to F9, who tried to scoop it, but couldn't and I had to rule it a "No Catch! No Catch!". F9 still came up firing, and overthrew F3. The BR rounded 1B and headed for 2B, where my PU took over. F2 recovered the ball, and fired towards 2B, but that skimmed by F6, and into the outfield. BR scampers up and heads to 3B. During this time, I was trotting back from RF towards 1B, and upon seeing the overthrow at 2B, and my PU headed towards 3B along with the BR, I light the afterburners and head down the line towards the plate. I arrive there before my PU starts his "SAFE!" call and mechanic at the slide-job at 3B. He looks over his shoulder towards the plate to see me there, and has this stunned look on his face. Time is called, and he remarks, "Holy crap, you move fast!" and several players and coaches from the Away dugout call, "Nice wheels Blue!". In our post-game talk, we pretty much figured that that play was the reason for the Odd Rotation.

MadMax

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Changed to a different game and there is PU with the indicator on his Right Hand! :smachhead:

 

Left Handers should be banned from all sporting activities!!!! :wave:

 

Man, I hope that wasn't me you saw... I was only on a webcam field as PU twice (IIRC). I'm not a left-hander... the indicator-in-the-right-hand, while improper (I've already been beaten up by my fellow umpires at CDP over this), is the one "bad" habit that I can't seem to break.

 

I was a catcher for 15 years, and also a hockey goalie for more than a few, and I've gotten accustomed to my left hand being my glove hand and my right hand holding my paddle (hockey), that it just felt natural with the indicator in my right hand. Hey, I broke one bad habit this past year, and now take my mask off with my left hand. Why did I take my mask off with my right hand before? Because, which hand do you take your mask off with as a catcher? Uh-huh.

 

In my defense, I have never flung an indicator while making an out call, or a safe call, or pointing, or making my strike mechanic. Never. My fellow umpires were gobsmacked that I have it in my right hand, and were questioning if I'm even able to turn the dials on it. Of course I can! The only ones I need to turn are B's & K's (and the occasional Out, but not really), and I rarely look at my indicator anyway. If I need to brush the plate, I drop my indicator into my bag, grab the brush, brush the plate, then drop the brush in the bag and retrieve my indicator. If I need to throw a ball back, same thing... 

 

So yeah, you're going to see an indicator in my right hand in any photos from CDP.

umpcoachfather

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I was taught this at a clinic several years ago, the trainer kept referring to it as "when your pushed"  in that direction while in A, due to the size of the field, ball location, etc.  Ill check the stuff from that clinic if i can find it, not sure it was included or not.  Wife probably threw it away anyway. 

Scratch Franzeo

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First off, it was my partner's plate meeting. He took the extra time to explain some of the ground rules to each coach. As far as his discussion with the catchers, he explained what he expected from each catcher after a foul ball. Should these interactions have taken this long? Maybe not, but it did help the speed of the game overall.

As for the weird rotation - we were all taught to button hook from A in a base hit. However, this rotation didn't always put the BU in the best position to make a call. So, we were asked to do this instead.

JaxRolo

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They should not teach weird mechanics. Good umpires will know how to read and adapt to these plays.

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They should not teach weird mechanics. Good umpires will know how to read and adapt to these plays.

That's the thing. You know as well as I do that CDP has umpires of widely varying abilities and experience.

JaxRolo

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They should not teach weird mechanics. Good umpires will know how to read and adapt to these plays.
That's the thing. You know as well as I do that CDP has umpires of widely varying abilities and experience. I thought about that after I hit reply
johnnyg08

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They should not teach weird mechanics. Good umpires will know how to read and adapt to these plays.

How do they expect to improve if they teach different mechanics than what are normally taught.

To me is seems like more "local rules"

But I will likely never work CDP so they can do whatever they wish.

Scratch Franzeo

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Question for the masses ... Two man mechanics - BU is in A - the infield is playing deep.

The ball is hit hard to F3 - F1 covers bag and misses the throw. BR tries to advance on the error.

Who has the play at second?

UMP45

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They should not teach weird mechanics. Good umpires will know how to read and adapt to these plays.

That's the thing. You know as well as I do that CDP has umpires of widely varying abilities and experience.

 

Yes. But the website says they are "professionally" trained! :rollinglaugh:

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blue23ll

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BU, has that play, and he needs to get on his horse and RIDE! 

 

They didn't say what kind of "professional" trained them.

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