Base Award on over throw to 1b using the spin move

[MAC]

Right handed pitcher R1 and R3 Spins and overthrows past 1b into DBT. What are the awards and why? 

[maninblack69]

OBR Rule 7.05 - Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance -- (h) - "One base, if a ball, pitched to the batter, or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher’s plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand or a bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop. The ball is dead;"

 

R3 scores and R1 to second

[th3]

r3 scores and r1 to second...spin move would keep foot in contact with rubber and award would be one base from TOP

[UmpJM]

Concur with th3.

 

Though I would say "...is treated as a move 'from the rubber'", rather than the way he said it. 

 

Since in a spin move the foot clearly does NOT "...keep foot in contact with rubber...".

 

JM

[Rich Ives]

OBR Rule 7.05 - Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance -- (h) - "One base, if a ball, pitched to the batter, or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher’s plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand or a bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop. The ball is dead;"

 

R3 scores and R1 to second

 

The question is really is a spin move an in contact move or a disengaged move.  The official interp says it's an in contact move.

[BuckeyeMike]

 

OBR Rule 7.05 - Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance -- (h) - "One base, if a ball, pitched to the batter, or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher’s plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand or a bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop. The ball is dead;"

 

R3 scores and R1 to second

 

The question is really is a spin move an in contact move or a disengaged move.  The official interp says it's an in contact move.

 

 

It took a PO'd JV coach for me to go home and look this up a year ago. 

 

That jump-turn, spin thing is in fact a "PLATE MOVE".  This means the pitcher is subject to a balk if he performs this move and feints.  It also means it's only 1 base on an over-throw.

[mjr_2013]

Someone just tried to correct Rich?? This could get ugly....

[BalkHawk]

At the risk of sounding ignorant, I have never heard of a "plate move". Maybe that's FED lingo, in which case I consider myself fortunate for never having had my brain clouded.

I concur, whether his spin was a jump move with both feet going airborne simultaneously, or a jab step where he stutters with his engaged foot then steps toward the pickoff base, he is considered 'in-contact' with the rubber should he throw the ball out of play.

[BuckeyeMike]

NOT AT ALL !!  

 

I was merely putting it in layman's terms for any newbies out there.  I'm saying what Rich alread said.

[BuckeyeMike]

"plate move".

 

That's how i was introduced to the subject.  Tomato, Tomatoe.    FWIW, I've not seen "plate move" in any rule or case book, so you win. 

[maven]

That jump-turn, spin thing is in fact a "PLATE MOVE".

I've never heard that term before. Presumably it's a reference to the pitcher's plate, not home plate. I cannot recommend adopting that term due to potential confusion concerning which plate — when I first read it, I thought you meant a move to home plate, which would commit F1 to pitch to the batter.

 

Sorry, didn't intend to pile on!

[mstaylor]

Stepping from the rubber, a spin move and a jab step are all considered in contact moves, one base. 

[BuckeyeMike]

I will attempt to lose the "plate move" terminology and replace it with "in contact move".  Thanks all.

[Rich Ives]

Someone just tried to correct Rich?? This could get ugly....

 

He said the same thing.

 

"Pitcher's Plate" and "rubber" are used interchangeably in the rules.

[blue23ll]

And home plate is where I have dinner?

 

From the rubber or disengaged, that's my phraseology.

[Aging_Arbiter]

He said "phraseology"