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kylejt

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I think the protest procedure goes like this:

The manager doesn't agree with a rule interpretation of an umpire, and protests it.

The ruling umpire gathers all of the umpires together to form a unified interpretation. If the umpires disagree, the UIC on the field (usually, but not always the PU) has the final call. The manager is informed of the decision, and then has the choice to place an official protest in the book.

Me, I'm not delaying a game by having a manager fumble through a rule book for sixty seconds. Either you know it, or you don't.

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BrianC14

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I think the protest procedure goes like this:

The manager doesn't agree with a rule interpretation of an umpire, and protests it.

The ruling umpire gathers all of the umpires together to form a unified interpretation. If the umpires disagree, the UIC on the field (usually, but not always the PU) has the final call. The manager is informed of the decision, and then has the choice to place an official protest in the book.

Me, I'm not delaying a game by having a manager fumble through a rule book for sixty seconds. Either you know it, or you don't.

And there you go. And if this takes longer than 3 minutes (what's up with that league rule? :wave: ) then something's wrong. Get the game moving! It's bad enough that 60 minutes of football now take 3+ hours to complete - baseball doesn't need to go that way.

Bigdog

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I think the protest procedure goes like this:

The manager doesn't agree with a rule interpretation of an umpire, and protests it.

The ruling umpire gathers all of the umpires together to form a unified interpretation. If the umpires disagree, the UIC on the field (usually, but not always the PU) has the final call. The manager is informed of the decision, and then has the choice to place an official protest in the book.

Me, I'm not delaying a game by having a manager fumble through a rule book for sixty seconds. Either you know it, or you don't.

Hey all,

Keeping in mind that this is for LL, I will give a manager a chance to look it up AFTER hearing my explanation of the rule covering what just happened. Notice I didn't say MLB, NCAA, or even NFHS. LL level coaches. I have never had a LL game that I have worked protested.

If it takes sixty seconds to make a manager realize that he doesn't know the rules and to keep him quiet, then I am for it!

Bigdog:cool:

mstaylor

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The way the protest should work is the manager questions your call, you explain it, he explains his understanding, then he protests. At that point the crew gets together and discusses the ruling and reach a final ruling. If you aren't changing the ruling then enter the protest in the scorer's book. While the crew is discussing the call the manager can use that time to look in his own book. He may find you are and withdraw the protest.

I have only been protested once in 35 yrs and that was in a SrLL State tournament. Not only did he loose the protest, it cost him another run.

UmpJM

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...I have only been protested once in 35 yrs and that was in a SrLL State tournament. Not only did he loose the protest, it cost him another run.

Michael,

Your last statement has me a little intrigued.

How did protesting a ruling on the field cost the manager another run?

JM

mstaylor

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The runner missed the plate, everyone was yelling that he missed it and to tag him. Two things happened, the runner was oblivious to the fact and was walking to the dugout. The catcher started chasing him instead of tagging the plate and chased him into the dugout. For some reason I only awarded R2 one base.

The manager came out to discuss it. He felt I should call the runner out, I had an improper appeal. Play was relaxed which is why he could tag the plate instead of chasing the runner. The manager returned to the dugout and I started to put the ball in play. He asked for time, came out and said he wanted to protest.

I asked him what was he protesting, he said the whole play. He wanted an out on the runner and no bases awarded. I got my crew together and discussed it, after which we decided to leave it alone. I called the TD down, explained the sitch. He had a history with either the manager or district and decided to go straight to Williamsport. He called, explained the sitch and handed me the phone to add my two cents. LL said the only thing I did wrong was not awarding R2 home. I scored the run and finished the game.

UmpTTS43

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The runner missed the plate, everyone was yelling that he missed it and to tag him. Two things happened, the runner was oblivious to the fact and was walking to the dugout. The catcher started chasing him instead of tagging the plate and chased him into the dugout. For some reason I only awarded R2 one base.

The manager came out to discuss it. He felt I should call the runner out, I had an improper appeal. Play was relaxed which is why he could tag the plate instead of chasing the runner. The manager returned to the dugout and I started to put the ball in play. He asked for time, came out and said he wanted to protest.

I asked him what was he protesting, he said the whole play. He wanted an out on the runner and no bases awarded. I got my crew together and discussed it, after which we decided to leave it alone. I called the TD down, explained the sitch. He had a history with either the manager or district and decided to go straight to Williamsport. He called, explained the sitch and handed me the phone to add my two cents. LL said the only thing I did wrong was not awarding R2 home. I scored the run and finished the game.

Interesting. Since F2's chasing of the runner into the dugout was part of continous action, would you allow a proper appeal after the ball was put back in play?

I think I would. Granted, this is LL and small ball here of which I know nothing rulewise about, but I find no where in OBR, NCAA, and FED that would not allow a proper appeal when the ball is put back into play. And for icing on the cake, if the appeal of home is the third out, wouldn't that take the awarded run off of the board?

Wow, I get to dump the DM because of his rantings due to my ruling that the runner is safe and awarding the run, then I get to dump the OM after I uphold the appeal, call the runner out and take the awarded run off the board. Hope the video goes straight to YouTube.

mstaylor

mstaylor

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I was going to allow the appeal if he tried. My partners disagreed with me but he didn't appeal. He asked about it while the ball was dead and I told him he could what he wanted. This was SrLL, so it's 90ft and based on OBR.

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frenchblue

frenchblue

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Not only no, but HELL NO!

My words completly.

If you carry a rulebook on the field, it opens the door to so many things a coach can say if he comes out to "discuss" a call..."why dontcha check in your rulebook blue"

it is also a manner of professionalism. it makes it look like you dont know the rules if you need a rulebook on the field...

so, unless your organisation requires it:

HELL NO!

thanks for the great quotes, Brian:)

Dragon29

Dragon29

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I carry my rule book in my equipment bag that I bring to the field every time.

A little piece of advice for one of our younger brothers in blue:

Don't bring your equipment bag to the field either. Leave it in your car. You do not want to have to collect anything, much less something as (possibly) unwieldy as an equipment bag once the game is over.

Last out is made & called - Get outta Dodge!

BT_Blue

BT_Blue

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Don in Kansas probably has to head into Dodge.

The problem with mine is that it once qualified for the Clunkers program. Then they changed it so that the version of the car I have doesnt. So I seriously "cant get out of Dodge"!

scobes7

scobes7

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A little piece of advice for one of our younger brothers in blue:

Don't bring your equipment bag to the field either. Leave it in your car. You do not want to have to collect anything, much less something as (possibly) unwieldy as an equipment bag once the game is over.

Last out is made & called - Get outta Dodge!

And, always exit the field on the winning teams side...:angel4:

BT_Blue

BT_Blue

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And, always exit the field on the winning teams side...:nod:

agree, unless you cant... like the field I am working at this Sunday. They, for some reason, only open one gate to get on and off the field... which just so happens to be through the first base dugout.:angel4:

Dragon29

Dragon29

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agree, unless you cant... like the field I am working at this Sunday. They, for some reason, only open one gate to get on and off the field... which just so happens to be through the first base dugout.:angel4:

So . . . what's the problem? Just make sure the team in that dugout wins the game! :nod:

I mean, every coach & player knows the outcome of the game is always determined by the umpires.

nolanadair

nolanadair

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Since I am only 16, I do not have my liscense. Therefore, I usually will put my equipment bag right behind home plate, which is the snack bar warehouse (sort of).

If I had a car I would leave my equipment bag there.

A little piece of advice for one of our younger brothers in blue:

Don't bring your equipment bag to the field either. Leave it in your car. You do not want to have to collect anything, much less something as (possibly) unwieldy as an equipment bag once the game is over.

Last out is made & called - Get outta Dodge!

BT_Blue

BT_Blue

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Since I am only 16, I do not have my liscense. Therefore, I usually will put my equipment bag right behind home plate, which is the snack bar warehouse (sort of).

If I had a car I would leave my equipment bag there.

Being the assignor for your league doesnt hurt either.

Stan W.

Stan W.

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Since I am only 16, I do not have my liscense. Therefore, I usually will put my equipment bag right behind home plate, which is the snack bar warehouse (sort of).

If I had a car I would leave my equipment bag there.

Then you get a pass on this one...........:hi5:

I worked with a guy who carried to the field.......a half gallon water jug, a towel and his watch and clipped them all to the fence to the left of home plate.....

the only thing he didnt bring was a lawn chair and a beach umbrella.....:TD:

willv28

willv28

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Then you get a pass on this one...........:hi5:

I worked with a guy who carried to the field.......a half gallon water jug, a towel and his watch and clipped them all to the fence to the left of home plate.....

the only thing he didnt bring was a lawn chair and a beach umbrella.....:TD:

What do you do with your water? I gotta have lots of water when it starts to get warm.

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