Reference Play: Two on a base. . . the following runner shall be out when tagged and the preceding runner is entitled to the base

[sdix00]

Should the umpires should have nipped this in the bud earlier?

U3 clearly gives the correct mechanic, but the runners don't pay attention. 

 

http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=15842045&sid=milb

 

 

7.03

(a) Two runners may not occupy a base, but if, while the ball is alive, two runners are

touching a base, the following runner shall be out when tagged and the preceding

runner is entitled to the base, unless Rule 7.03(b) applies.

(b) If a runner is forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner and two

runners are touching a base to which the following runner is forced, the following

runner is entitled to the base and the preceding runner shall be out when tagged or

when a fielder possesses the ball and touches the base to which such preceding

runner is forced.

 

 

[JaxRolo]

U3 gave the wrong mechanic.

He got it backwards.

Hard to believe 3 milb guys there and no one corrected it.

I don't get what the announcers were saying about a double play.

[Richvee]

U3 clearly pointed to the lead runner and told him he was out. I think what the announcer was trying to say is, if the lead runner was tagged after walking off the base, since he is the runner who should be safe, it would be a double play. I guess it could also be abandonment. However U3 called the wrong runner out. So it looks like they just put the right runner back on 3rd. 

[sdix00]

You guys are right.  After watching closer, U3 called the wrong guy out. 

 

 

 

I don't mean to post Umpiring mistakes.   I originally thought the vid was a fun case play.   Now I see why it is important to give the correct mechanic. 

[johnnyg08]

You guys are right.  After watching closer, U3 called the wrong guy out. 

 

 

 

I don't mean to post Umpiring mistakes.   I originally thought the vid was a fun case play.   Now I see why it is important to give the correct mechanic. 

 

 

It's good to post these so we can learn.  It's not to disparage the umpire crew. (For most of us on here anyway)  At least it shouldn't be to disparage them.  If that's your thing, it'll be hard to fit in on this forum.

[Richvee]

OK. Let's say U3 clearly pointed to the trail runner and said "You, out" and pointed to the lead runner and said "you're safe". Then oblivious to what he was just told, the lead runner trots off the field while the trail runner, who was properly called out, remains on the base. Do we have abandonment in this case and 2 outs, no runner on? 

[JaxRolo]

OK. Let's say U3 clearly pointed to the trail runner and said "You, out" and pointed to the lead runner and said "you're safe". Then oblivious to what he was just told, the lead runner trots off the field while the trail runner, who was properly called out, remains on the base. Do we have abandonment in this case and 2 outs, no runner on?

I would think so

[Jocko]

Wow. Would his run have counted had he touched the plate? I'm thinking yes. R3's run was unorthodox, but not technically illegal.

[Thunderheads]

You guys are right.  After watching closer, U3 called the wrong guy out. 

 

 

 

I don't mean to post Umpiring mistakes.   I originally thought the vid was a fun case play.   Now I see why it is important to give the correct mechanic. 

Steve, ....

umpiring mistakes, AND umpiring successes are always great to see because everyone can learn from them (like johnnyg states).  

 

There's a fine line between learning from a mistake video, and slamming the mistake video.  There are some that think ANY mistake video is a slam, which couldn't be further from the truth.  Whether it be College, MiLB, or MLB, .... good, or bad, .... if you can't learn from either, .....shame on you .........

 

Good video sdix00!

[noumpere]

OK. Let's say U3 clearly pointed to the trail runner and said "You, out" and pointed to the lead runner and said "you're safe". Then oblivious to what he was just told, the lead runner trots off the field while the trail runner, who was properly called out, remains on the base. Do we have abandonment in this case and 2 outs, no runner on? 

I'll add that rather than just say "you out" use the players name or number to help clarify "#14 your out; #18 your safe".  then at least the coach can get involved if the wrong one starts to leave.

[yawetag]

I've been taught that if you're close enough, you tap the shoulder of the player and then give the safe or out mechanic. Failing that, you have to make it very clear who is safe and who is out.

[noumpere]

I've been taught that if you're close enough, you tap the shoulder of the player and then give the safe or out mechanic. Failing that, you have to make it very clear who is safe and who is out.

Wait I thought in another thread lots of people said to NEVER touch the players.

[bam]

If you're close enough to touch the player you're calling out or safe, I'd say you're a little TOO close.

[yawetag]

If you're close enough to touch the player you're calling out or safe, I'd say you're a little TOO close.

 

On a tag play at a base with two runners, considering there's players who don't know who'll be out or safe (and who should be tagged)? I'd say you're perfectly close enough. In any situation like this I've seen, there's no other action on the field, so getting close isn't putting you in jeopardy of being out of position for anything else.